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Articles: Literature | | kottagaa Emee kaani naavi neevi - naaneelu marO samaalOchanaM | |
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| I did not really want to revive this dead thread. But since I had a chance to read a few books of 'nAnI'lu, and that reading made me take back some of the points I raised in my last post against 'nAnIlu', I posting this comment again. Sri Gopi had clearly given the definition of 'akshara niyamam' for nAnI as '20-25 aksharAlu' not just 25. So most of the nAnI's quoted as examples might fit the rule. I could not find the two nAnIlu quoted in the essay in either of the nAnI books of Gopi (surely not the first one, because I could have missed them in the second book). So I am not sure if the quoted nAnIs are by Gopi.
Second point I wanted to clarify was Gopi himself told in the preface of his first book that the theme of nAnI can be anything ranging from sAmAjikata to tAtwikata. So here again there is no restriction put on the subject and hence no meaning in pointing out nAnIlu that does not have sAmAjikata.
Third point is that I liked more than 75% of nAnIlu by Gopi, from his two books. I definetely feel they have poetry in them. Readers can try it out and know it for themselves (may be kiraNjI himself can read them and write another essay titled 'nAnIlu - punarAlOcanaM:-). Another good nAnI poet I found was rasarAju. His nAnIlu were also very heart touching. Unfortunately I don't have the book right now. I think all the other poets who followed do not have the same standard and are the main culprits in creating an ugly impression on nAni. I really hated few of those nAnilu published recently in 'patrika' magazine! I think Sri Gopi himself has understood that he cannot write any more good nAnIlu. He very clearly said that he is not going to publish any more books of his nAnIlu.
On the whole, I think nAnI is a poetry form that can be used by new poets who want to write 'minI kavitwaM, for practice, since the letters limitation would force the poet for kluptata. But surely everything written in this form cannot become poetry and should not be published as poetry.
Posted by: Mr. Kameswara Rao Bh At: 18, Jan 2006 10:22:20 PM IST
kiraN gArU, I charchalOki maLLI nannu lAgaDaMlO mIru kRutakRutyulayyAru!You win, and I loose:-) This is exactly the kind of stuff that I was looking for in the essay. Some examples, some analysis, some questions raised. Let me give you my opinion on the examples you gave in your latest post.
nAnIlugA rUpaM mArchukunna reMDu kavitallO, modaTi kavita, haikUlO kannA nAnIlO nAkekkuva kavitwaM kanipiMchiMdi. haikUlO ammuDupOyinavADi siggulEnitanaM aMtagA kanipiMchalEdu. nAnIlO A vyaMgyaM bAgA paMDiMdi. adE reMDava kavita tIsukuMTE, haikU bAguMdi nAnI kannA. aMbEdkar ni vAchyaM cheyyAlsina avasaraM lEdu, adi nAnI anavasaraMgA chEsiMdi. alAgE 'cheppu' padaM reMDarthAlalO vADaDaM SabdaparaMgAkUDA oka chamatkArAnni techchiMdi haikUlO. kAbaTTi, AlOchistE prakriya EdainA aMdulO kavitwapu pAlu ekkuvA uMDochchu takkuvA uMDochchu. haikUlu cheyyalEni pani nAnIlu chEsAyi ani nAku telisi evarU vAdiMchalEdu, vAdiMcharU kuDA. aitE mari akshara nibaddhatatO unna oka kavitA rUpaM haikU uMDagA nAnI maLLI eMdukU anna praSna koMtamaMdiki rAvachchu. haikU prathAnaMgA prakRuti varNana lEdA tAtwikatabackdroplO uMDE kavitalani, sAmAjikata nAnIlaku prAthana utprErakamani gOpIgArO marokarO cheppAru. kAbaTTi vATini compare cheyyavalasina avasaraMlEdu, kAbaTTE haikUki idEdO pOTI prakriyakAdu ani vArE spashTaM chEsAru. ivannI mI vyAsaMlO vAri mATalugA pErkonna vAkyAlaki nA budhdhi ichchina interpretation. I think this is one of the places where we differ. ika nAnIki sAmAjikata utprErakamaitE mari sAmAjikata lEni nAnIlu kUDA unnAyi kadA annadi reMDava praSna. idi samaMjasamaina praSnE.But we again differ here about the meaning of utprErakamu. haikU janmadESamaina japAnulOnE Zen philosophy prAtipadikagA (bAshO) modalaina prakriya, iravayyO SatAbdaMlO Masuoko Shiki vaMTi kavula chEtullO prakRuti prathAnamainadigA koMta mAriMdi. itara bhAshalalOki, mukhyaMgA telugulOki vachchEsariki, sarE sari, entO vishayavaividhyaM vachchiMdi. iMglIshulO kAsta A syllables niyamamainA koMta pATiMchabaDiMdi kAnI telugulO adI lEdu. I nEpathyaMlO, 'nAnIlaku sAmAjikata utprErakamu' annadAnni nEnu, oka guideline ani mAtramE arthaMchEsukunnAnu kAnI, adi oka nibaMdhanagA anukOlEdu. kAbaTTi, sAmAjikata lEni nAnIlapai nAkeTuvaMTi AkshEpaNA lEdu, kavitwaM unnaMta varakU. aMdukE mIrichchina chivari reMDu nAnIlalO modaTidi nachchiMdi, reMDavadi lEdu. mIriMta varaku ichchina udAharaNalU, nAnI lakshaNAla baTTi, nAnI kavitA prakriyagA sthirapaDa lEdanE anipistOMdi. dAniki prathAna kAraNAlu:
1. akshara niyamaM, niyamaMgA kAka kEvalaM oka guidelinegA mAtramE uMDaTaM. gOpIgAri, migatA vArasula kavitallOnE I niyamaM atikramiMpa baDaTaM. rUpa nirdishTata lEnappuDu, tana pratyEkatani kOlpOvaDaM chAlA suluvu.
2. vastuparaMgA nibaMdhana lEkapOyinappaTikI, oka nirdishTamaina 'kavitAtma' chAlA avasaraM, mukhyaMgA rUpa nirdishTata lEnappuDu. alAMTidEdI nAnI nirwachanaMlO kAnI prayOgAlalO kAnI kanabaDalEdu. dInivalla kUDA tana pratyEkatani
pOgoTTukuMTuMdi. 'kavitAtma' anna padAnni vivariMchaDaM chAlA kashTaM.Let me take the help of Haiku again for this. 'Traditionally and ideally, a haiku presents a pair of contrasting images, one suggestive of time and place, the other
a vivid but fleeting observation. Working together, they evoke mood and emotion.' This is one description of haiku I read somewhere. The theme can be anything, but it describes the essence of how the haiku should be. This kind if description is what I mean by kavitAtma. iTuvaMTidEdI nAnIlO nAku kanipiMchalEdu.
3. nAnIlalO akavitalu kanIsaM kavitalanni unnaTTunnAyi:-)
pai abhiprAyAlaki AdhAraM iMchumiMchugA, mI vyAsaM, tarwAta jarigina charchalU mAtramE. kAbaTTi avi tappayitE bAdhyulu mIrE:-)
Posted by: Mr. Kameswara Rao Bh At: 7, Jan 2006 0:44:16 AM IST
subramaNyam gaaru ! Sree Sree eppuDoo poorti kamyoonisTugaa laeDu. aitae maarx siddhaantam pai unna avagaahana ' ae daeSa charitra choosinaa..' loa chaalaa vivarangaa paraavartinchindi. maarx cheppae ' gata charitra antaa vara poaraaTa charita ' prastaavanalu, atani gati taarkika chaaritraka bhautika vaadam ( idi oka raajakeeya vaadam kaadu . idi taatvika Saastram loa oka amSam ) laanTivi prasphuTangaa kanipistaayi.
Posted by: Mr. Aandhrudu At: 6, Jan 2006 1:26:49 PM IST
aaMdhruDu gaaru, kEvalaM oka kavitO reMDu kavitalO oka kavitaa saMkalanaM padunu nirNayiMchalEvu. mahaaprasthaanaM naaTiki taanu pUrtigaa kamyUnisTuni kaanu ani aayanE svayaMgaa cheppukunnaaDu. ika naaku telisi kavitvaanidi haabee sthaayi, vaadaala sthaayi ani inni uMDavu. kavitvaanidi kavitvaM sthaayE! kaamESvara raavu gaaru cheppinaTTu iMtaku miMchi vAdiMchukODAnikEmI lEdu.
Posted by: Subrahmanyam Mula At: 6, Jan 2006 10:45:23 AM IST
Kiran gaaru? :)... namastaenanDi !..:) meeru cheppindi raamaayaNam laa undani naeneppuDannaananDi baaboo...?!....
naavoa mooDu mukkalu -
modaTi mukka -
kaamaeSwara gaaru maaTlaaDina daaniloa ghoaramaina tappidaalu aemee laevanDi paapam. naaneelapai koosinta taTasthangaa maaTlaaDDam aaayana chaesina tappaemoa? anyway I am with him with regard to the . the way he has participated in the discussion
renDo mukka -
ayya raama..cheppindaaniki chinna clarification ichchi vadilaesinaa tappae?...havva!...:):)
mooDoa mukka -
manchi charcha modaleTTaaranDi. mari asalu vishayam loa digitae baavunTundi.
egasTraa vachchina mukka -
@ subramanya gaaru
khaDga sRushTi padunu mahaa prasthaanam mundu takkuva ani enduvalla evaru annaaroa naaku teleedu. jarigitae alaa jaragaDaaniki Sree Sree kunna vaadam anTae....naanu aenu haeltinri subramanya gaaru !...mari mahaa prasthaanam samayam loa aayana garjinchu rashyaa, ae daeSa charitra choosinaa, laanTi kavitalu ae vaadam toa raasinavi? enduvalla mari mahaa prasthaanam loa padunu vachchindanTae cheppalaenu. viSadeekaristae telusu koagalanu. kavitalu mana vaadaanni vinipinchaDaaniki enduku vaaDukoavaali annaTTu aDigae praSna nijangaa telisae aDigaaraa teleeka aDIgaaroa teleedu mari. maLLee kavitaa saahityaanni haabee sthaayiloa choostunnaraemoa?
PS : ee raamaayaNam loa mottam meeda naalugu piDakala mukkalu dorikaayanTaaraa kiraN gaaru? :) :)
Posted by: Mr. Aandhrudu At: 5, Jan 2006 11:32:18 PM IST
Dear Kiranji, Vastavji,
I said that I do not want to continue further with the discussion because I think I have said everything that I wanted to say. Not because I am fed up or angry or something like that. When we have a debate, typically it would have to close within 2 or 3 rounds of arguments from either side. If it continues further, I feel it becomes repetitive cheppiMde cheppara... anna sAmeta lAga. It is very natural to the grown ups to not to change their ideas/beliefs/opinions, however open they think they are. This applies equally well for you and me. Hence the debate/argument will loose its purpose after some time and is best stopped.
There is nothing personal I felt that made me stop.
However, I would like to get a clarification from Vastavgaru on what he felt as kiraN gAri vyaktitwaMpai vimarSa in my last sentences of my previous message. Yes, it sounded sarcastic no doubt, but not on his personality, only on the essay. If at all Kiranji felt any personal attack in those words, I would very much be surprised and would request him to accept my apologies.
Posted by: Mr. Kameswara Rao Bh At: 5, Jan 2006 9:01:27 PM IST
nAvarakU I vyAsamlO AvESam kannA AvEdanE kanipistOndi.A tIvratE konni mohamATamlEni mATalaku AskAramichchi vunDochchu.allA rAsinadAnni rachaita yokka AvEdananO, pariNiti palchanabaDindanO pakkaneTTi pradhAna vishayAnni charchinchAli
kAmESwarjI yE bAlan&sD vimarSa kiraN`jI cheyyalEdannArO adE porapATu mIrU chEstunnArEmO? mI chivari kAmenTu konchem vyaktigatangAnE vundanEdi nijamE gadA.anchAta manchi vimarSakulu, manchi pAThakulu cheyyani tappunu manam cheyyaDamenduku? selavulu gaTrAlu peTTakanDA charchalOki diganDi.illAnTi charchalu jarigi chAlAkAlamE ayyindi
kiraN`jI allA chEddAm mari
Posted by: Mr. Vastav Alok At: 5, Jan 2006 3:30:12 PM IST
mohamaaTaM kaadu kiraN gaaru, nishkarshagaa vimarSiMchaDaanikee, aavESapaDi raasE vimarSakee tEDaa uMTuMdi kadaa.
Posted by: Subrahmanyam Mula At: 5, Jan 2006 3:08:58 PM IST
alOk gaaru, kaamESvara raavu gaaru cheppinadaaMTlO konni maMchi vishayaalunnaayi. vimarSiMchETappuDu manaM bElen&s D gaa uMDaalannadi aayana uddESaM. adi karakTE ani naakanipistOMdi.
aaMdhruDu gaaru, kavi E vaadaanikainaa kaTTubaDitE atani kavitvaMlO kavitvaM paalu KachchitaMgaa taggipOtuMdi. Sree Sree mahaaprasthaanaMlO unna padunu KaDga sRushTilO lEdu anEdi aMtaa oppukunE vishayaM. kavi kaTTubaDi uMDaalsiMdi tana kavitvaanikE kaanee ee vaadaalaki kaadu. deennE meeru eskEpijaM aMTE cheyyagaligiMdEmee lEdu. kEvalaM abhipraayaalu vyaktaM chEsukunEMdukE aitE kavitvaalu, kathalu eMduku? vyaasaalu raasukuMTE saripOtuMdi kadaa!
Posted by: Subrahmanyam Mula At: 5, Jan 2006 2:09:30 PM IST
kAmESwarjI mI ArgyUmenTulO konni lOpAlunnaTTu gamaninchA. mI payaTlavArigAnE rAstunnA
1. 'padi lain&lu kUDA rAyalEni prabuddhulu' anna vAkyAnni 'padi lain&lu kUDA kAnkrITugA rAyalEni prabuddhulu' ani chadivAranukOnDi kiraN`jI cheppadalchukonnadi arthamautundi.kavitvam annadAnni assalu rAyalEnivADu nAnI rAsina,haikU rAsina,dIrgha kavita rAsinA akavitvamE autundi.allAnTi vADini vimarSistE mottam prakriyanE vimarSinchinaTTu peDartham tIyaDamenduku ?
2. ChandObandhAlanu pATistU kUDA kavitvam rAyochchu.dAnartham Chandassu lEkanDA rAsinA kUDA kavitvam rAyochchanE.anTE kavitAtma vunnavADu, bhAvanASakti kaligina vADu tanaku nachchina paddhatilO 'kavitvamE' rAstADu gAnI sOdi kAdu.aitE AndhrAjI eppuDU cheppEvidhangA kavitvAnni sOshiyO ekonomik anD poliTikal yAngallOnchi chUstE nAnIki apakAramE jarugutundi gAni upakAram gAdu.ellA anTE AndhrAjI gAru padya prakriya inkA avasaramA anna vyAsam rAsAru.bahuSa adi nETi taram manasuni pratinidhinchE bhAvam kAvochchu.dAni prakAram ippaTikAlamlO ChandObadhdham kanTE frI versulakE prAmukhyam .allAnTi sOshiyO ekonOmikal poliTikal anD saikOlOjikal byAk grauDulO nAlugu pAdAlu, 25 aksharAlu, samAjikatE pradhAna vastuvu anTU nibhandanalu peTTaDam yenduku ?anchAta kiraN`jI ArgyumenTu karekTE kadA?
3. idE vyAsamlO haikUlu rAstunna kavulu nAnIlani pOTI prakriyagA chUDakanDA akkuna chErchukonnAru ani toli vArasulu SrI bhallam gAru pErkonnaTTu chadivAnu.anTE vAri arthamlOnE nAnIki haikUki sambandham vunnaTTE kadA ?A sambandham gurinchE kadA kiraN`jI cheppEdi?
4.pablik laifulO vyaktigatam anTE ?ikkaDa gOpIgAru kavigA pablik laifulO parichayastulu. inTlO AyanelA vunTArannadi mATlADitE tappugAnI kavigA Ayana vyavahAraSailini vimarSinchaDam vyaktigatam ellAgautundi? kiraN`jI annaTTu vArshikOtsavAlu, vArasulu, nAmakaraNAlu vagairA vagairAlannI pabliggAnE jEsAru gAbaTTi vATiki pablik afairu kindanE lekkavEsi vimarSinchaDam jarigindi.vALLu jEsindi vyaktigatam kAnappuDu vILLanEdi vyaktigatam gAdugA?
vO prakriya samAjamlOki ellA pravESapeTTabaDindannadi charchinchaDAniki AndhrAjI anE samsta sOshiyO ekonomik poliTikal vishayAlani tIsukOkatappadu.allA samagragA tIsukonnappuDu vyaktigatam avyaktigatam annavi Evi ani niSchayinchaDam vIlautundA?illA anni fyAkTarlanu kalipi chEse vimarSa vilavalni digajArchEstundA?
Posted by: Mr. Vastav Alok At: 5, Jan 2006 1:34:34 PM IST
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