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| Mr.VV is in HOTSPOT..not kalam! :D
Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 27, May 2003 8:55:00 AM IST
lol@boy
Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 26, May 2003 10:13:16 AM IST
Andlez go to thi sarticle and discuss it..http://telugupeople.com/discussion/comments.asp?tc1=105
Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 26, May 2003 8:55:24 AM IST
Due to lack of time(and mind u..iterest as well..;))I didnt go thru the history of comments on thi sarticle and earleir I posted my views.
As Sai Kiran Kumar Kondamudi rightly pointed out lez close thi schapter and move on..
Dear Boy and Ntvodu..Hats off to ur SHADOW investigation..
But as they say there is no point in killing the dead snake.So relax!
I want to conclude by saying that many of Mr.VV's articleslack the real substance..he has the Zeal to point out all the evils in our society but ni t enuff Gunpowder to make them roar.Hope that in future he wud gathe more gunpowder.
Cheers!
Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 26, May 2003 8:52:56 AM IST
Mr.vachspati invited me to participate inthis topic..and to read all comments.
I will read the comments whenever time permits butl et me say a few word on the topic..
"If we make our culture corrupt free, then only it is possible to eliminate corruption at all sorts."says Mr. VV.
First of all What is "culture "?
Hobel and Frost defines culture as"the sum total of LEARNED behavior.."
To wht extent ur daily (bad)behavior is governed by epics of Mahabharata or Ramayana?!To wht xtent u can place the blame on our epics for our social problems?
Culture is not transmitted thru genes.It is transmitted thru customs and mores of society.So when we say the cultureis corrupt..basically our customs are corrupt.
wher ehave these customs come from??! from generations to generations thehave been transmittd thru the ELEMENTS of culture in our society.
Our culture is not at the core of the present day corruption in our society...nobody is taking bribe coz mahabharata or Ramayan asks him to take bribe or justifies bribe.It is personal greed that drives ppl to take bribe.Same is the case with Dowry.Which epic advocates dowry?!Who taught that personal greed to a human being?!Raamaayana or mahabhaarata or Khuran or Bible?!They all tried to make human beings more humane.
We do not know whether mahabharata and Ramayana,the core epics of Hindu culture are myth or true..but I do agree that these two epics have profound effect on thinking pattern of an average Indian(or shall I say Hindu Indian ?)
But the corruption has its roots in many other socio economic factors like poverty and personal greediness rather than in our culture..our culture per se doesnt encourage any type of corruption.I didnt understand what does Mr.VV meant by making "culture corruption free." may be he is referring to the thiking pattern of ppl in general..Yes unless that thought pattern is made more morally oriented and more ethicall, it is not possible to eliminate corruption from our society.
Mr.VV is trying to mix up the whole gamut of social problems ,like dowry system,corruption in public places etc in our society and blame our culture for it.
But blaming our culture for every evil in our society is wrong.every culture has its merits and de-merits.We all know the evils of so called progressive western culture ..the single parent homes and the collapsed institutions of marriage and family ..rising child crime rate and so onand so forth.they are looking towards easter cultures for guidance now.
Let us take the case of dowry system and woman's status in our society.
Earlier in the place of dowry system there was the practice of Kanyasulkam...and child marrieges.If we go further back in History,to vedic times,Indian woman enjoyed Very high status (Highest status)in society and was well respected and commanded equal rights in every spehere of life.Was it not our culture?!It was not fault of our vedic culture.But after the Vedic period, under the spell of Brahminism ,only in medival times the status of woman got deteriorated and this dowry system rose its ugly head.More or less at the same time Gautama Budha and Mahaaveera tried to improve the status of women and eradicate the evils of Brahminism.Later inmoderntimes Raja Raammohan roy etc tried their best to eradicate the practice of child marriges etc.
Our culture is not corruptbut our people are corrupt...and corruption has no cultural boundaries.it is a world wide phenomenon.And to become"noble" one has to be free from corruption..but that is not suficient..he must have many other good qualities like humanity,intelligence ,patience ,impartiality etc.To become a gr8 judge many ohter divine qualities are requireed.
Kalam may have said that to become a juge one has to b "Noble" .It wud be an idealistic situataion if every aspiring and practising judge is "Noble" .But that can never b achieved in practice just like we cant achieve the Gandhian principles of"ideal village"and "Sarvodaya".We everyday see so and so judge is arrested on so and so charges.After all Judges are also human beings ..but we xcect them to b "NOBLE" but they are ordinary mortals...they cant hold the noble qualities badly lacking in the present day society in general.
Thats why so many legislations to eradicate corruption..The LOK Pal system envisages to bring even the PM b4 the law.For modren day problems modern day solutions in the form of Acts and their implementation is required.Courage is required to make Acts and implement them.Butthat is badly lacking in our policy mackers.Even in common ppl the virtues are at the nadir level.It is wrong to blame any one particular culture for all these evils.it is a global phenomenon and not he fault of any one particular culture.
Nobility in human beings has declined from Satya Yuga to
Treta Yuga to
Dvapara Yuga to
Kali Yuga .Who is to blame for this ?!Certainly not our culture..or any other culture.
Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 24, May 2003 5:43:05 PM IST
I condemn the "the baby swapping case" and it is very unfortunate.
Now, as I have always supported the idea of taking the positive side of any incident....here are some observations.
--The incident was made public
--The law was quick to act
--The parents of the children have been traced(though not in one of the previous cases)
--The kids reunited with their parents
--Culprits are in trial...
Comparing it with prior such cases..I would say we have developed from...."NOTHING COULD BE DONE" To "LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED"
Effects could be:
The extensive media coverage has educated all on this topic.
Staff in the hospitals will be more vigilant.
Parents who have such ill Intentions will dare not to do such things.
Law enforcement has some experience in such profile.
I would say the incident should not have happened ..but it's happening is a challenge to the society and it was well taken care of for Good.
My best wishes..
Posted by: Mr. antha nijam At: 13, May 2003 6:41:24 PM IST
Hi All,
Mr Vachaspati, one point that we could make out of all this is --all the ppl engaged in this discussion are not certainly the ones who run away. They are the ones who are willing to discuss this sensitive topic and all of them so subconciously agree with you to some extent.-----
Let us agree that no system is born perfect. In Army they say soldiers not to discuss three things in their free time...religion, women and money. We know why these topics are sensitive. They lead us no where.
I am sure no one in this group has any doubt that our system was no exception. Instead of bashing it or like "Sachchina pamuni champatam", I think what should we do to make it a new era system based on values.
Let us open a new topic--"Current Affairs--implecations on Future" and I invite Mr Vachaspati to take the lead. We can pick a topic and let it be the topic for one week.
I think if we discuss like what we were doing..we can go after our culture and traditions for 2000 more years. We know we cant summon Manu or others today. Neither we have the power to request Gods to appear and preach and explain vedas. And one more request..let any topic be in its bounds..like ,do not refer what Christian Missionary says about a Hindu-Muslim misadventure.
I will always appreciate Mr Vachaspati for his great contributions for the board. Let us not Hijack the seriousness of the topic.
Forgive my frankness...
Posted by: Mr. antha nijam At: 12, May 2003 7:56:07 PM IST
AYYI BABOI---IKKADA EENTI EVARU KALAM GURINCHI MATALADATAM LEDU??
Posted by: (^ ^) BOOCHODU At: 12, May 2003 7:29:10 PM IST
One thing I never understood in the long article is why are u after Hinduism?
Since I am not knowledgeable in all the vedas or the Human Rights groups' reports..I am forced to believe all that you have mentioned.
What is happening here is what has happened thousands of years ago. You are preaching your view. Which may not be the right view.
For an anology..you are behaving like a Brahmin(in your article) and I (or we) are sudras(in your article). Since you have some knowledge..you are professing...since we are not equipped with all the knowledge(that you have)...we are forced to listen. This is also and is exploitation.
All that has happened is not just the caste system. It is the power of money.
You have given huge statistics on percentage of dalits and all the jazz. Tell me ..how many rich dalits send thair children to brothel houses? Are they not living in pride and prestige? Why do you want to sow the seeds of hatred. The tough job of removing hatred has been slow and stady process. We are seeing lots of areas where this hatread has diminished. The process of diminishing should spread. Provocative articles like this do more harm than good.
You have blasted off the caste system.You say a Hindu master dosent pay their workers well. It is not just a Hindu master..it is any master. If masters were paying their workers well..there would not have been so many revolutions in Europe/America and all over the world. Do you think a Dalit master pays his workers well?
Moreover..I personally and with full heart feel that the reason for caste system getting more and more air is because of our reservation system now.
The reason why we are not developing as fast as we could is this very way of thought. We take every thing with respect to 2000+ years of history. If we all believe that we are all equal..and move ahead from now..we will certainly not have enough time for all this conversation. There is lots to do.
What do you want? Do you want all the non-sudras to be punished and treated the same way Sudras were treated in history? Will that solve the problem? That cycle will never stop with this kind of approach.
If there is there is a violation of the law..it should be treated locally and as per the law. It should not be presented in a way that provokes people to commit more such problems.
If two persons fight in a bus stop over who will get into the bus first and it goes out of proportion and in a freak accident one of them is badly beaten..and that person happens to be a Dalit. Just imagine how it is presented in the press? "A DALIT WAS BADLY BEATEN BY A UPPER CAST HINDU FOR NOT GIVING HIM THE RIGHT OF WAY"
How many times have we not seen misuse of the liberties given to Dalits..whatever the case may be..most of the times if one of the parties is a Dalit...most probably there will be a case filed on "UNTAOUCHABILITY ACT". If all such cases are taken..then certainly there will be no diminishing of the attrocities on Dalits as per books.
I am not against anyone...I have seen attrocities against Dalits..I have seen Dalits misusing the very rights that were given to save them. I have seen arrogant and "Feel great" upper cast hindus and have also seen lots and lots of them who do not have work to do and food to eat.
See the developing trend of India..have a positive view....see how many people are getting educated..see how many inter-caste marriages are taking place..see how many dalits are heading institutions of honour...see how people are learning tolerence ..see all this....and ecourage all this...
I am not against the system or I am not against the author...I just didnt like the tone of the article as I felt it does more harm than good.
Posted by: Mr. antha nijam At: 9, May 2003 2:43:44 AM IST
It was good to once again read all the comments...
On lighter side...Should we send a copy to President Kalam?
No offence
Posted by: Mr. antha nijam At: 6, May 2003 6:57:11 PM IST
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