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| Shankar garu: I don't want to belabor the issue and this will be my last message on this subject.
TTD may be an autonomous body. However, its EO and Chairman are appointed by Govt. It's money is received from public and it isn't taxed. It's security etc are assured by Govt. Hence it is a public religious institution and has duty to work for public welfare (atleast the people that come to pray and others that contribute from far away). Autonomy here means the ability of the board to take independent decisions without seeking approvals from Government. That is all. They are still duty bound to work for the welfare of all Hindus.
Posted by: Mr. Tejan G At: 26, Oct 2006 1:26:23 AM IST
Begging: Just as many other things in Hinduism begging is a result of values deterioration. In ancient India, begging wasn't the begging as to-day but social security payment to high thinkers, sages who were concentrating on mind activities (Thapassu) and society didn't want them to be tied to struggle to make a living and have a family etc.
They needed no material possessions to do research for humanity. Beggars then were 'Poojaneeyulu'.
Then it deteriorated into giving food to domestic workers such as 'washer men' who didn't have time to cook as they were spending all their time collecting washing and delivering laundry. Similarly, it made sense to give food to domestic workers at home who worked all day at your home and it was not a big thing to share the same food mostly prepared by them.
These perfectly rational acts have deteriorated into a profession of people that had no social net, those fell out of the net due to misfortune, or ill health or born into a begging family or found to be a lazy way of making a living once the psychological barrier / inhibitions of begging as a menial profession is over come by these people.
To-day reforming begging menance, needs a social network for those unfortunate people that are in capable of productive work for self support. Others that took it as a family profession and are healthy must be given skills and taken off the roads. Beggers must be given a pass / ID card with expiry date during which they must attain skills for self support or join institutions who screen them for eligibility for admission into them.
A lot can be done. But who has the time ? People look to Govt for everything. Social and religious institutions have to work on such issues and Govt must do their share to help them. It may not resolve completely but can be kept manageable.
Tejthatha.
Posted by: Mr. Tejan G At: 25, Oct 2006 4:31:16 AM IST
Now I want to raise few issues :
1) Are all the beggars really poor? At least not many in Hyderabad city! They can give loans to some middle-class people.
I remember one classification :
a) Real haves
b) Pseudo-haves
c) Pseudo-havenots
d) Real havenots.
What we have to condemn is the 'laziness'. Some time back, we used to see some boys cleaning sleeper-coaches (in trains) and then collecting small amounts from the passengers. Now we find a lot of such guys who are doing 'semi-finished' jobs and demanding money. So, the real poverty lies in the mind that 'rests' on laziness. We should tackle this malady first.
2) Why should we think that no portion of the money collected in Tirupati is useful for the poor?
The nature of money is to 'move'. I remember the public sector organisation where I worked earlier took loan from TTD to pay salaries of its employees for two consecutive months!
Most of the activities done by TTD serve the purpose of indirect employment to many.
3) Any devotee who contributes something to God at least expects that it should be spent towards those who believe in God. In all fairness, this is OK & this is not a crime!
4) How much of the money is black and how much is white - it is known to the conscience of the 'devotee'. But nobody can demand that a particular deity's income must be spent for 'secular purposes'.
5) True, why Christianity could make inroads into our country is that they gave prominence to 'service'. We have been lagging behind in this aspect even today.
6) I did not find many beggars in Gujarat during my four years stay there long long ago. They were trying to do something or other 'more than' their office work, earn more and enjoy. This was the case with many classes of people there.
7) We cannot treat 'begging' as a lucrative profession. Nor should we encourage it.
The political leaders who are 'begging votes' have to come forward to combat this.
8) In stead of throwing something to a beggar, we should also learn that the best way of helping a needy man is to help him to stand on his own legs, but not to think that he is getting 'puNyaM' by encouraging laziness.
Posted by: SATYA RAMA PRASAD KALLURI At: 25, Oct 2006 0:00:51 AM IST
Sankar garu;
I didn't follow your message below. What has 101 states before independence got to do with Telangana? What are you implying when you say 'you have to contribute before demanding and you can only suggest but not demand'? Are you suggesting Telangana people don't contribute to TTD?
TTD gets contributions from all people of India. More from some and less from others. TTD is a public institution that benefits from all public.
Hence, one has a right to suggest / demand of TTD management to take up public causes. I don't even like to visit any temple because of all the beggars in front of them. It takes away any serenity and spoils my mind. We have a lot to learn from the western religious institutions when it comes to human service. Suggesting or demanding the religious institutions to take care of the 'poor and destitute' with the Billions and billions of rupees TTD gets is very sensible idea.
If these beggars are taken away from the Temple premises by providing them shelters and care and reintroducing into society as self supporting individuals, is not only a public /human service but it helps Temple goers such as me by keeping the Temple surroundings clean and my mind serene.
'Remember manava seva is madhava seva'. Hindus don't contribute to Christian churches. But Christian institutions have been pouring millions into India for education and betterment of their lives as human service.
Tejthatha.
Posted by: Mr. Tejan G At: 24, Oct 2006 10:18:45 PM IST
conclusion loa no matter !!
chivari paeraaloa vishayam evarikee teleedanukunTunnaraa ? praSna vachchi alaa telisinaa aemi chaeyalaeka poatunnarenduku ani anDi.
Posted by: Mr. Aandhrudu At: 24, Oct 2006 6:09:00 PM IST
nagnamuni garu,
i have read ur article. this is the problem of our nation. i dont know wat ur profession is. instead of waiting for others why cant we help them by starting a home. i will be with u. think over that. u can contact me through swetha.mekala@tcs.com
swetha
Posted by: Miss swetha mekala At: 24, Oct 2006 12:38:32 PM IST
this article was very much of true history. all our political leaders only aim is their victory in elections including of local body elections its true. your observation is correct.
but, the solvent : we may be handover to oldage homes/ self help schemes for them
varamurthythuta
Posted by: Mr. varamurthy thuta At: 24, Oct 2006 11:28:03 AM IST
nagnamuni gArU! chakkaTi viShayaM aMtekAdu samAjAnni paTTipIDistunna kaThinameina samasyanu bAgA vivarimchAru.
aprastutamEmO manniMchAli. illAMTi viShayAnnE nEnu My Thoughts lO aNgNjAta virALAlu anE SIrShikalO prastAviMchAnu.
prabhutvamu, virALAluichchE dAtalu kUDA taginavidhaMgA spaMdistE I bhixAMdEhi samasya koMtavarakeinA pariShkAramavavachchunani nA abhiprAyamu.
Adibixuvu aDigiMdi annaM Dabbu kAdanukoMTA.
okasAri pariSIliMchamDi
Posted by: Mr. VIRABHADRA SASTRI KALANADHABHATTA At: 24, Oct 2006 9:09:30 AM IST
Sankar,
You are the one brought the telangana issue into this topic.
Yes, people are donating money to Tirupathi temple, but who made the decision to help the education institutions? God will be happy if some of that money goes to help the poor, sick and old? You have a problem with that?
Posted by: Mr. M kakulavaram At: 24, Oct 2006 5:58:42 AM IST
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