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| Abuses apart, the concept of animism and totemic animal worship is very ancient practice in most tribal societies. Though we may be digressing a bit, it is useful to know about the past dispassionately.
iMdulO prAchIna mAnava saMpradAyAlaku jarugutunna avamAnamEmI lEdu. manushula chiMtanalOni pariNAmAnnE manamInADu arthaM chEsukOvAli. E yugaMlO evaru EyE pUjalu jaripinA koMtavarakU samAjaSrEyassu kOsamE chESAranEdi maravakUDadu.
prapaMchaMlOni vividha tegala Adima viSvAsAlanu krIstu, islAM taditara matAlu nASanaM chESAyi kAni manavALLu pAta AchArAlani kalupukuMTU muMdukeLLAru. udAharaNaku airlan &D lO chAlAkAlaM konasAgina kelTik mataM chivaraku kriSchiyan &la dhATiki nilavalEkapOyiMdi. aMduvalla hiMdU vidhAnAllO prAchIna paddhatulannI InATikI vyAptilO unnAyi. aMdukanE vATini pariSIliMchaDaM vIlavutOMdi. hiMduvula pUjAvidhAnAlu anAgarikamainavani cheppaDAniki I mATalu rAyaDaM lEdu.
jaMtuvula chihnAlu manaku aDugaDugunA tagulutAyi. eluka gaNAnni ODiMchinavAru Enugu gaNaMvArA? (mUshika vAhanaM). SivuDu dunnapOtunekkaDamU, pAmulanu vaSaM chEsukuni meDalO vEsukOvaDamU, kumArasvAmi nemalinekkaDamU annI AlOchanalanu rEkettistAyi. manaku nAgulU, SaunakulU (kukka), kaSyapulU (tAbElu) modalaina pErlannI parichitAlE.
gaNapati pUrvarUpAnni guriMchi madrAsu kaLAsAgar sAvanIr lO okAyana pedda vyAsamE rASADu kAni vivarAlu prastutaM nA daggara lEvu. AyanEmI lePTisTu kADu.
alAgE vEda kAlapu dEvatalu kanumarugavaDaM guriMchi maroka pratyEka vyAsamE rAyavachchu.
siMdhu mudralamIda anEka jalacharAla, itara jaMtuvula chihnAlunnAyi. mAnavula jIvitAlu jaMtuvula madhyanE modalayAyi kanaka prAchInulaku vATitO manakannA pramEyaM ekkuvE uMDi uMTuMdi.
takkina matAla, tatvadhOraNulatO pOlistE hiMdU paddhatulu SAMtiyutamainavi. vAdanallO ODinavAru Atmahatyalu chEsukunna saMdarbhAluMDEvi kAni chaMpukOvaDAluMDEvi kAvu. idi chAlA goppa vishayamani nA uddESaM. garvapaDavalasina vishayAlanu pakkanapeTTi arthaMlEnivATi guriMchi AvESapaDaDaM maMchidi kAdu.
I am not a know-all and interested readers can dig deeper and find out more interesting stuff about the religious past from all over the world.
Posted by: Dr. Rohiniprasad Kodavatiganti At: 8, Nov 2006 7:25:03 PM IST
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 8, Nov 2006 12:42:11 PM IST
chaalaa SramatO annivishayaalu sEkarinchi telipaaru santOsham . ilaanTi miDimiDi jNjaanam tO mana hinduvulanE tapputrOva paTTistunna rOhiNIprasaadu gaari vyaasaanni KanDistunnaanu. mahAbhaaratam vyaasulavaaru vraasinadi sumaaru 5000 samvatsaraalakritamdi ani niruupinchabaDinadi. appuDE vyaasulavaari granthaanni vinaayakuDE vraasaaDu. adI gaaka yuddham mundu dharma raaju gaNESuni puujinchi jayamu chEkonnaaDu. inkaa SrIkRushNuDu kuuDA gaNESuni puujinchinaTlu vundi.
saraina Saastra jNjaanam lEkunDA EdO pichchigaa vaagaDam kaDu SOchanIYam
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 8, Nov 2006 1:56:03 PM IST
Just did a quick search,
Nandita Krishna in
http://www.newindpress.com/sunday/colItems.asp?ID=SEC20050901082054
says
'The earliest elephant-headed human figure appears on a plaque found in Luristan, in Western Iran. Dating back to between 1,200-1,000 BC, this proto-
Ganesha stands dressed as a warrior' (Not a demon)
http://www.indiaprofile.com/religion-culture/ganesha.htm
says
As I hail Ganesha and set out to tell his story, I let the heart lead, for he is one deity who is loved as much as he is revered. In his aspect as the sacred elephant, his genesis seems to stretch far back into antiquity. An approximate date that scholars bring to light is the late Indus period, (2550-2050 BC) when the elephant motif was used on coins. In the 3rd century BC, the famous Maurya king Asoka used the elephant figure on many of his pillars. The Sarnath pillar, from which the national emblem is derived, is one among them. Indeed, the elephant is closely related to Buddhist mythology. Very early in history, the symbol had been adopted by Buddhism and Jainism to. The elephant is symbolic of Buddha’s conception as well as that of many Jain Tirthankaras. Of course, in Hindu mythology elephants figure in many instances, beginning with Lord Indra, the king of the heavens. His mount, Airavata, was a white elephant.
So there is a school of thought which believes that Ganesa evolved from the Vedic fold. In the Vedas, the oldest dating to 1500-1000 BC, he is synonymous with some other Gods mentioned therein. But, equally, it is pointed out that the name Ganesa or Ganapati or Vinayaka, as he is variously called, does not figure in the Vedas. So the syncretic nature of this deity, for he seems to have taken attributes from different Hindu deities to emerge as one composite whole. So charming is Ganesa that the argument that he was conceived by early man who was overawed by the strength and power of the elephant seems a backward moving derivation! In many African societies the elephant is a common symbol as, in a desire to acquire the strength of the elephant, its worship began and soon he assumed the role of a guardian deity.
(This means that the conept of Elephant God existed even before the Gupta period, but the name might have been formalized by the Guptas)
http://www.gurudeva.org/resources/books/lg/lg_ch-13.html
Shri H. Krishnamurthi writes in Tattvaloka (Feb.-March 1990): 'Several images of Ganesha have been discovered in the excavations of Central America and Mexico. It is said that in Mexico the name of Ganesha is Virakosha.' Recently India's Birla Science Institute announced a new find: 'A piece of evidence was connected with the legend of Ganesha's writing down the epic to the dictation of Vyasa. A metal plate depicting the elephant-headed Deity holding an etching stylus has been found in Luristan in Western Iran and has been dated to around 1200 BCE (Motilal Banarsidass Newsletter Dec. 1993).'
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All the above instances tend to indicate that the concept of the Elephant God Existed much before Christ.
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 8, Nov 2006 12:42:11 PM IST
Sir,
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Scholars have, for example, written that Ganapati was a demon to start with and did a volte face later, around Gupta period. (We have cute stories today about Vighnasura being chased by and identical Vighneswara but a demon CAUSING vighnas certainly looks more plausible).
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Honestly, this is something I never knew about. So I better read something about this and get back to you - otherwise it doesnt make any sense for me to argue. But tt would be a surprise for me to discover that Lord Ganesha was projected as a demon before 500 AD. May be I should look for some material on pre-500 AD stuff. Thanx for your response newayz
----- Bhardwaj V V S R
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 8, Nov 2006 11:32:19 AM IST
Dear Sir,
I have no problems really about your nom-de-plume.
No one can precisely say what religious practises existed 1500 years ago. Certainly there was some continuity and many philosophies take pains to trace themselves to vedic ideals. (The pre vedic schools of thought are sought to be obliterated)
But gods have been morphing all the time. Scholars have, for example, written that Ganapati was a demon to start with and did a volte face later, around Gupta period. (We have cute stories today about Vighnasura being chased by and identical Vighneswara but a demon CAUSING vighnas certainly looks more plausible). The so-called Mahishasura vanquished under the feet of Kali could be Siva himself. In Maharashtra there is Mhasoba temple which sounds like the diminutive for Mahishasura. (Vitthala is called Vitthoba). It clearly shows that religious rituals have evolved in the medieval period.
We see new religious practises cropping up all the time in established religions as well as village deities. Islam (6th century AD) has its own share of schisms and offshoots like Shiyas, Ahmediyas et al. We need not single out Hinduism particularly. Younger religions like Sikhism seek to project their own historicity.
The point I make is that we ascribe many latter-day rituals and events to antiquity to make them appear authentic without properly assessing the real length of the existence of human societies and timelines. After all 1000 years is a blink given our long societal history.
Posted by: Dr. Rohiniprasad Kodavatiganti At: 8, Nov 2006 6:48:43 AM IST
I'm not hiding Rohini Prasad garu, it's just the id I have been using for the last 8 years dont feel like leaving it. Many people on the dicussion boards know me and I have met many of them in person. You cant accuse a guy of hiding behind a veil when he actually displays his fotograph on his profile!
Coming back to the discussion,
My question still remains - Do you mean to say that the current practices never existed before the Gupta period or Did I get you wrong?
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 8, Nov 2006 6:15:53 AM IST
I wish I knew your real name and find it awkward to address you as Rowdy garu! (Why people hide behind pseudonyms beats me)
The present religious practices arose mainly during the Gupta period. The rise of Saivism and Vaishnavism, which really democratized religion and brought it within the purview of common people made religious worship a mass movement.
In Indian ethos, we never throw away any of the old practices starting with the pre-vedic Pasupathinatha and that is why there may even be some remnants of the ancient Charvaka philosophy in our thinking!
Posted by: Dr. Rohiniprasad Kodavatiganti At: 8, Nov 2006 3:35:05 AM IST
Rohini prasad garu,
Are you sure about the statement of yours that Most of the Hindu customs were born around 500AD?
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 8, Nov 2006 3:16:19 AM IST
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