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| Posted by: Sparrow At: 12, Mar 2007 3:48:32 PM IST
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Well,
His idea is 'Let people of different castes co-exist peacefully just like people with different blood groups'
My contention is 'Why cant we go ahead of this peaceful-coexistance concept, Eliminate the caste and make it 'Existance' instead of 'coexistance'
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 12, Mar 2007 4:00:09 PM IST
Dr Peyyeti, why cant we go a step ahead and eradicate the caste system completely? We cant eradicate the blood groups but we can do it in the case of caste that is runing the society!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 12, Mar 2007 3:45:25 PM IST
Lemme add something more ---
I have taken this text from a website:
The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical Hindu texts as The Seven Rishi Cities According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called 'Vimanas.' The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a double deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer. It flew with the 'speed of the wind' and gave forth a 'melodious sound.' There were at least four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders ('cigar shaped airships').
The ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in existence, and some have even been translated into English. The Samaraanganasutraadhaara is a scientific treatise dealing with every possible angle of air travel in a Vimana.
There are 230 stanzas dealing with the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced landings, and even possible collisions with birds. In 1875, the Vaimanika Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadwaj the Wise, 'using even older texts as his source', was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightning and how to switch the drive to 'solar energy' from a free energy source which sounds like 'anti-gravity.'
The Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas. This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher
Please note -
'using even older texts as his source' -- and if I am not wrong the older texts refered by Maharshi Bhardwaj must be from the Vedic age!
And the relevance of Bharadwaj's principle is obvious, the DRDO has used these principles effectively in their Light Combat Airctaft (LCA) design
So WE CAN NOT SAY THAT WHATEVER COMES FROM VEDAS OR PURANAS IS NOT SCIENCE. We need to conduct a very careful analysis before going either way
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About Dr Peyyeti's thing, he was talking about me acknowledging his satire, I dont think he meant to say I supported him. We are all giving our own interpretations of what we know - only one of us can be correct - it could be you, Dr Prasad Dr Peyyeti or Me. Only 'a Proof' would tell us the truth.
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 12, Mar 2007 2:34:34 PM IST
Answer one question yes or no: Do you agree that castes are nothing but blood groups?
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When did I say this? - I dont think blood groups are man-made like castes
It only tells of your ignorance if you ask whether Darwin's thoery is Scientific or not
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I agree I am ignorant and I never claimed to be some encyclopedia of knowledge - and Why should I read Dawkin's interpretation of Darwin? I am only interested in knowing the Experimentatal Data followed by the proof! Pardon my ignorance once again, I heard many people say that there has been NO conclusive proof for Darwin's theory and if there is no proof, then it ceases to be Science . Dont you agree?
Have you read any of them? Do you have any feeling that they are written down to convey some 'Science'?
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I have read them only in parts and I DONT HAVE THE COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE and that is precisely why I REFUSE TO JUMP TO ANY CONCLUSIONS IN THIS REGARD. I called them neither science nor pseudo science. I feel it is only for those who read them completely, to place them in proper category. LET ME REPEAT IT AGAIN, I HAVE ONLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES. If you can disprove what I have said I would agree with you and if Dr Peyyeti can Prove what I have said then I would agree with him. Right now I see neither happening ...
There is something called Null Hypothesis ( Six Sigma black-belts and statisticians use this quite often) that represents default or status quo, and proving or disproving it would establish various results. In this case your Null Hypotheis and Dr Peyyeti's contradict each other, yet there is no proof on either side -- and nobody will be convinced byt he theory without a proof, stange it may seem at this point of timne I tend to disagree with you both as you have taken very strong positions.
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 12, Mar 2007 1:39:26 PM IST
Let me know the opinion of people over here ---
Whatever Karl Marx and Charles Darwin Said.. do you all consider that to be Scientific or Pseudo Scientific or Non-Scientific?
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 12, Mar 2007 5:22:16 AM IST
But one thing - We are still not sure whether our ancestors wanted us to be spiritually or scientifically aware for we lost too much of Knowledge in the transitions so some of the proofs and the observations MIGHT have been lost.
If the Pyth. theorem could be beautifully described in the form of a shloka about the plant of Lotus in a pool of water, there is every chance that much more research might have been done.
My only contention here is that, before one calling something Science and the other calling the same Pseudo Science, it is better to have some more detailed analysis with strong evidence from the facts and figures.
Let me quote the good old Turmeric example - the first generation people knew why they were doing it and they had observed data to prove their findings - so it was Science- the second generation knew a lil, but they continued the tradition becuase their elders did it,the subsequent generations didnt know anything about it, but they continued it as a tradition... so a for a fifth generation guy it would appear as Pseudo Science when somebody tries to interpret its meaning without proof - and all this has happened due to the non-transfer of knowledge.
Our ancient system of education focussed mainly on knowing the facts rather than establishing them. It was like 'It is true because my teacher says so'. Pardon me if my conclusions are wrong but this approach actually made people stop thinking 'WHY?', inspite of the existence of 'Tarka Shastra - the theory of reasoning'. So there is a possibility that science has gradually become Spirituality and with the original observations being lost and with us people trying to give our own interpretations, it looks like Pseudo Science - Sorry to sound repetetive but I just wanted to stress on this point. ( Now plz dont say 'Paadindey paadaraa paachipalla Daasudaaa!' .. hehe)
As I said earlier, you might have concurred with Dr Peyyeti's views if he had tried to interpret science as Philosophy/Spirituality - but what I see is a clash of opinion when he is trying to interpret spirituality as science in the reverse gear :))
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 12, Mar 2007 3:37:32 AM IST
Point taken Rameshwara Rao garu,
As I said - it may or may not be treated as science based on so many 'if's and 'but's. Everything that Science says is a fact, but every fact in the universe need be science YET!
Enjoyed reading the whole thing though!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 12, Mar 2007 3:10:21 AM IST
Well Well, I just happened to read all the comments ...
About Marx - had he proved anything following the Hypothesis - Experimentation - Proof cycle? If he had not, then whatever he said shouldnt be categorized as science!
One thing is clear .. the thiests are unable to prove the existence of the God convincingly and the athiests are unable to disprove the same ... and the fight would go on until one of them succeeds :))
And About Ghosts - Sparrow .. Discussion forum Rachcha Bandalo chaalaa dayyaalu unnaayigaa? :))
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 11, Mar 2007 11:36:17 PM IST
contd .. from my prev post ...
This is precisely what happens if the Knoeledge is not documented properly.
Thanks to the stupid caste system of the early days, the Brahmins never documented Vedas and Science, Shudras Never documeted Agriculture, Fishing, Weaving and other vocational skills, Vyshyas never recorded Navigational & Trade secrets and Kshyatrias never shared their War Strategies with anyone - on the pretext of losing their 'Community Knowldge' to others - and the result Every Community has lost a big heap of knowledge each forever!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 11, Mar 2007 10:40:13 PM IST
My 2 cents ....
But Please pardon me if you find me foolish in your argument and PLEASE FELL FREE TO CORRECT ME ..
As my understanding goes from what I studied during my research in Artifical Intelligence & Knowledge based Computing,
A Human being is alive as long as his/her brain is alive - (and yes, even if the heart stops, if there is a mechanism to keep the brain working, the person is considered alive) ..
Similarly a person is considered dead the moment the brain stops functioning ( if the heart is still active them the person is considered Braindead which is 'almost dead') ...
Sorry to talk like a 7th standard student but I am sure you all would agree with me that the stuatus of the life of a human is determined by the brain - in turn the arrangement of cells and neurons.
Brain is the only part of the human body that has not been transplanted so far and suppose, may be in a few years, the Neuro Scientists succeed in transplanting Brain from one Person to other (By transplantation includes even the functional dependencies between the brain and the nerves), it means the entire thought proces and the memory of one person has been transformed to another ...
and in mythology and Indian Fiction we find the concept of 'Parakaya Pravesam' .. which is not too far away from this scenario. It also means transfering one ATMA into another BODY ...
Going by this I feel there is a strong possibility ( I still say only a possibility and this is subject to verification & validation) of the Neural Arrangement inside the brain being termed ATMA for the sake of the common man. In other words, Atma is NOT a Physical entity like Plasma but a Mathematical Formuala or a Neuro/Structural engineering concept - which is 100% abstract. One might even decipher this down to the Gene/DNA level.
We dont have two mentally identical persons because it has been observed that no two brains have the same arrangement of Neurons.
Now if {x} is one living being's knowldge/Atma, then the discrete union U{xi} where i=1 to (Number of Living beings) would give us the knowledge of all the the living beings in the Universe.
If the Knowldge pertaining to non-living beings ( if any) and 'Yet to be discovered Knowledge' are combined with the above knowledge, that would give rise to the universal knowledge (Both structural and behavioral) ... WE WOULD END UP WITH THE UNIVERSAL SET OF KNOWLEDGE AND THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT PEOPLE REFERRED TO THIS AS PARAMATMA ...
When a Person dies, his knowledge also dies but it can not go beyond the Universal Set! So it would be present in U- U(xi), ie the knowldge is in that zone of the universe inaccessible to the Human beings ...
THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO AS ATMA MERGING WITH PARAMATMA.
And if BY ACCIDENT (JUST BY ACCIDENT) the Neural arrangement of a New Born baby had matched with that of a person who died before the baby was born it MIGHT have happened that the baby gained some knowledge due to the 'Built-in' learning that already happened .. (Please note the word MIGHT) .. and People might have MISTAKEN this accident for RE-BIRTH!!
There are so may 'May/Might/May Not/Might Not' things in my message and I am not sure whether I am correct or wrong .. I feel its just one possibility ...
Even though I am not qualified to do it, I would liek to talk a lil about the discusion between Dr Peyyeti, Dr Prasad and Dr Bandhakavi .... ( Hoping that this would not lead to a new fight)
My view is that our elders interpreted 'SOME .. I repeat SOME' science in the form of spirituality and literature so that people understood it better. In otehr words it is not PSEUDO SCIENCE, but it is REAL SCIENCE AND PSEUDO SPIRITUALITY and this pseudo spirituality got merged with the other spiritual concepts like Philosophy and Mythology.
Now, Dr Prasad and Dr Bandhakavi are standing at he Science end and trying to differentiate the real science from Pseudo Science (ie Philosophy and Mythology that dont conform to science - AS OF TODAY) ... Dr Peyyeti is standing at the other end and trying to interpret Spirituality as Science, basically trying to reverse Engineer the Knwoldge Passed on to our Generation from the elders - btu the problem here is that, since the Knowldge got transfored across generation, it had got corrupted by the Middle men - Our Fathers nd Grand Fathers - while transfering Knowldge from Bhaskara, Aryabhatta and Maharshi Bhardwaj to all of us ... Dr Prasad abnd Dr Bandhakavi are looking at the corrupted portion and Dr Peyyeti is referring to the Uncorrupted Portion and an unnecessary battle is waged between two parties standing on different grounds! May be we can avoid it by defini8ng a common point of reference ...
I once again apologize for this loooooong post and if I sounded childish!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 11, Mar 2007 10:23:34 PM IST
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