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Articles: TP Features | | AMdhrulu teluguvAru kArA? | |
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| Dr. Peyyeti garu,
I said repeatedly that I am not against Andhra Brahmins, and I respect many of them for their contributions to Telugu language/society. Who is practicisng racism here? People who says Sanskrit is Deva bhasha, Sanskrit is musical to hear and don't want to change the Sanskrit prayers to Telugu in temples. In addition they never wanted to discourage the use of Sanskrit words in place of Telugu words. Racism means imposing some foreign language and culture on the native people. If one group that is practicing racism in A.P is some of the Andhra Brahmins who are against Telugu language and telugu culture. I am not saying it for the first time. Some progressive Andhra Brahmins said this 100 years ago. Telugu language is derived from proto-dravidian language spoken in Indus valley 5000 years ago. Only after script was introduced, they were able to pass on the knowledge to future generations. Blaming the messenger will not solve the real problem. Changing your heart and promoting accha(pure) telugu words usage will go a longway
Posted by: Mr. M kakulavaram At: 30, Apr 2007 8:07:51 PM IST
Okay lemme turn racist moment for a sec - will the Urdu loving Telangana Reddys identify themselves as Non-Telugus ( for the usage of the word 'Dava Khana?')
... Tell me one ting - Are you trying 'Telugeekarna' or 'Telanganeekarana?' .. if you are a genuine lover of Telugu as you claim then let us start with the elimination of all the forien words - start with the urdu words, lets eliminate the word 'Dawaa khaana' first! Would you take the first step in convincing the Telangana people to stop using the word 'Dawaakhaana?' I am sure you shouldnt hve any problem if your interest in Telugu is more than your regional or racist interests!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 29, Apr 2007 8:15:34 AM IST
Mr. Rowdy,
You say you are for Telugu and we should encourage the usage. How can it happen unless we discourage others who are using non telugu words indiscrimnately. I never said I am against Sanskrit. I am against sanskrit, Urdu or English when they use those language words in place of Telugu words. 80 Million telugu people have a right to demand the use of their own language not Sanskrit. Urdu speaking Muslims of Hyderbad do not identify as Telugus. May be Sanskrit loving Andhra Brahmins should follow Muslims and identify themselves as non-telugus.
Posted by: Mr. M kakulavaram At: 28, Apr 2007 10:50:29 PM IST
Well, in fact, Sanskrit is the only Language in India that is not limitd to a Race - you can find it easily intertwining with Hindi, Bengali, Assamese, Marathi, Oriya, kannada, Telugu, Malayalam and even Tamil!
The so called Dravidian Malayalam has more number of words borrowed from Sanskrit than Hindi did! So, giving Sanskrit a racist color would only make the whole argument fall flat on its nose.
About the Blond Hair and Blue eyes, there have been many Hispanic and Puerto Rican women considered more beautiful than the Irish Blondes .. right? - if I am not wrong there have been many African American women who won many a beauty contest .. in fact it is in India that people go after Fair Skin - Evident from the Fact theat the India is the biggest market for the fairness creams while many US gals like themselves lil Tanned!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 28, Apr 2007 4:01:48 AM IST
In fact, Sanskrit is the only Language in India that is not limitd to a Race - you can find it easily intertwining with Hindi, Bengali, Assamese, Marathi, Oriya, kannada, Telugu, Malayalam and even Tamil!
The so called Dravidian Malayalam has more number of words borrowed from Sanskrit than Hindi did! So, giving Sanskrit a racist color would only makes the whole argument fall flat on its nose.
About the Blond Hair and Blue eyes, there have been many Hispanic and Puerto Rican women considered more beautiful than the Irish Blondes .. right? - if I am not wrong there have been many African American women who won many a beauty contest .. in fact it is in India that people go after Fair Skin - Evident from the Fact theat the India is the biggest market for the fairness creams while many US gals like themselves lil Tanned!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 28, Apr 2007 4:00:02 AM IST
Posted by: Mr. madhusudhanreddy kakulavaram At: 28, Apr 2007 0:17:27 AM IST
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You jump to conclusions so fast - it was not me who called Besta as Matsyakarulu or Komati as Vyshya - it was their own job ...
Its not Just Sanskrit - Take for Instance Now a days Nobody calls Lenthil Dish as 'Pappu' - even the villagers call it 'Daal' and mind you - they aint Sanskrit educated.
And About my brought-up, well I have been a witness to constant Telugu vs Sanskrit battles right from my childhood. Nobody told me that Sanskrit was better than Telugu and I DO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
As I mentioned in the other thread, the initial days of my PhD work (from the Dept of Computer & Information Sciences, Hyderabad Central University & University of Mysore) included a bit of Natural Language Understanding I was part of a team that worked with Syntax related issues with respect to Sanskrit and Telugu and one of my Seniors has worked with Metaphors. The beauty of a language is usually determined by its Phoenetics and Syntax.
I am definitely proud of my mother tongue Telugu but it will not be wise to be fanatic about it - it has its strengths and weaknesses and one has to be frank about it.
On the contrary to what you are saying - Promoting Telugu is different from Fanatically Loving Telugu and Hating Sanskrit - while the former talks about your duty, the later is the RACIST attitude - A Telugu guy says Telugu is the best, a Tamilian says his Language is the best, a Spanish guy says his is the best and the battle goes on ... instead of that, lets learn to respect all the languge, with their positives and the negatives and at the same time promote our own, because we love it ...
But I woulndnt mind repeating it again - Loving a language does not mean hating the other langauges ...
An Let me quote your Hospital Example ....
DAWAA KHAANA is 100% Urdu word with 0% Telugu where as Aasupatri is a corrupted English/French word with atleast 50% Telugu in it. Because of your Anti-Andhra feelings you chose to ignore this simple fact and took off on Sanskrit unnecesarily. If you want 'Telugeekarana' it is the word 'Dawaakhana' that should be removed first :))
Dont look at the world with jaundiced eyes while trying work for a noble cause for it would be a lost cause eventually with that approach.
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 28, Apr 2007 0:54:04 AM IST
Dear Mr. Rowdy & Dr. Peyyeti,
Thers is a saying in English 'Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder'. Sanskrit words sounds muscial to you because your were raised that way. For others like me they sound harsh. When I hear a theta or accha telugu song or poem, I feel in my heart like millions of Telugus. There is a telugu saying 'kaki pilla kaki muddhu'. We have to be proud of who we are and what we are. After living in US, many think blue eyed, blond hair women is sexy. Why? Becuse the media projects such an image. Your love for Sanskrit falls into similar category. It has a racist overtones. The key here is to encourage the usage of pure telugu words, and over a time we can reverse the excessive use of Sankrit words.
Posted by: Mr. M kakulavaram At: 28, Apr 2007 0:17:27 AM IST
:))
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 27, Apr 2007 8:50:04 PM IST
My so called meaninful post is in response to a rare meaningful post from your side too .. hehe ... fights apart,
I agree with your points in today's post but what I mean to say is that the change should be gradual and it should happen in a systematic manner.
About castes, the usage of those names is just to sound better (I am sure they wouldnt even know that they are Sanskrit words) - because the word Vaisya is pronounced lightly and sounds good musically ... infact this happens in every society (for instance, the usage of 'African American' instead of 'Back' or 'Scheduled Caste' or 'Dalit' instead of 'Mala' or 'Madiga' .. and I think Dailt is a Sanskrit word too)
What I mean to say is - people get attracted to the words the sound musically better and they should be convinced using some creative methods, if you want to introduce to them, the concept of pure Telugu.
Agree with you Peyyeti garu good one ..
heheheh Sparrow, back to Mathematical Induction :))
Well Said Bullibasu - but well if changes are to be made, it should be done in an acceptable manner - Radical approach to linguistics doesnt succeed much.
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 26, Apr 2007 9:44:25 PM IST
reDDi gaaru, vaartaa patrikallO(maLLI saMskRutamE)lEdaa TIvi lalO vaaDE bhaashanE janaM kUDA anukaristaaru. oka patrika AgasT 15 ni paMdraagasT ani raastU uMdi. aa maaTa asalu eMduku vaaDaali ani aa patrika ki oka uttaraM raaSaa..samaadhaanaM lEdu.maala vaaLLa nu maala aMTE baadha paDutunnaaru. alaagE konni migataa kulaalu kUDaa.konni alaaMTi padaalaku aa baadha tappadu. prastutaaniki unna bhaasha nu pOgoTTukOkuMDaa uMTE chaalaMDi.kotta maarpulu chEsi uddhariMchaalsina avasaraM lEdEmO.
Posted by: Bullibasu Bullibasu At: 26, Apr 2007 9:27:42 PM IST
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