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Above everything else, let me assure you that there is no misunderstanding of any kind...Becoz i cannot talk of sex in a board meeting .... nor can i immerse my self with the details of work while making love....it is as simple as that...telugu should be upheld and frequent usage of telugu should be propagated...but in the right context and in the right manner...not with billigerence towards another language...for one simple reason that hatred will not help our cause...meeku ardham kaakopovochchu....kaani aayana vuddeshaalu veru...teluugu meda prema anukunte adi chaala porapaatu

Posted by: gopi kumar At: 2, Aug 2007 7:20:13 AM IST

Rohiniprasad garu, U said that the theory about simultaneous human evolution at several places is more suspect now as per the latest news. No one of course knows anything for sure....u r right...no one knows for sure...but it is definetly not more suspected nor ur above arguement is being more supported as per the latest news... here is one such evidence... Fossilized remains of Homo erectus, popularly known as the 'Java Man', suggest the Indonesian archipelago was inhabited two million to 500,000 years ago. Recent discoveries on the island of Flores were dubbed 'Flores Man' (Homo floresiensis), a miniature hominoid that grew only three feet tall, although whether this is a separate species is in dispute. Nevertheless, Flores Man seems to have shared some islands with Java Man until only 10,000 years ago, when they became extinct…..this is one such anthropological evidence which proves simultaneous evolution…. Besides, it is absolutely wrong to say that hindu gods attained their modern form only during Gupta period....For instance, 1. One of the earliest recorded instances of a Krishna who could potentially be identified with the deity can be found in the Chandogya Upanishad (ca. 900 BCE). The exact words that Ghora speaks are treated by some as praise of Krishna and others as a praise of the Atman. The doctrine taught by Ghora matches closely with the philosophy of the Bhagavad-gita and the name of the mother is the same as found in the later Krishna traditions. 2.Panini, ca. 5th century BCE, in his Ashtadhyayi explains the word 'Vāsudevaka' as a Bhakta (devotee) of Vāsudeva. This, along with the mention of Arjuna in the same context, indicates that the Vāsudeva here is Krishna. 3.In the 4th century BCE, Megasthenes the Greek ambassador to the court of Chandragupta Maurya says that the Sourasenoi (Surasena), who lived in the region of Mathura worshipped Krishna 4.From 180-165 BCE, the Greek ruler Agathocles issued coins with images of Vasudeva holding a chakra on the reverse side and balaraama weilding plough on the obverse. Indian-standard silver drachm of the Greco-Bactrian king Agathocles (190-180 BCE) {'Rev: Vasudeva-Krishna, with ornate headdress, earrings, sword in sheath, holding kunda (pear-shaped vase) and chakra (wheel). Brahmi legend: RAJANE AGATHUKLAYASA 'King Agathocles'.} {Obv: Balarama, wearing an ornate headress, earrings, sword in sheath, holding a mace in his right hand and a plow-symbol in the left. Greek legend: BASILEOS AGATOKLEOUS 'Of King Agathocles'.} 5.At Ghosundi near Udaipur, engraved about 150 BCE, is an inscription of a certain Bhagavata named Gajayana, son of Para-sari, stating that he erected in the Narayana-vata, or park of Narayana, a stone chapel for the worship of the Sankarshana and Vasudeva. 6.In the 1st century BCE, Heliodorus from Greece erected the Heliodorus pillar at Besnagar near Bhilsa with the following inscription: This Garuda-column of Vasudeva the god of gods was erected here by Heliodorus, a worshipper of the Lord Bhagavata, the son of Diya Greek Dion and an inhabitant of Taxila, who came as ambassador of the Greeks from the Great King Amtalikita [Greek Antialcidas] to King Kasiputra Bhagabhadra the saviour, who was flourishing in the fourteenth year of his reign .... (missing text)... three immortal steps . .... (missing text)...when practised, lead to heaven—self-control, charity, and diligence. 6.Another 1st century BCE inscription from Mathura, records the building of a part of a sanctuary to Vasudeva by the great satrap Sodasa. 7.The grammarian Patanjali, who wrote his commentary the Mahabhashya upon Panini's grammar about 150 BCE, quotes a verse to the following effect: May the might of Krishna accompanied by Samkarshana increase! One verse speaks of Janardana with himself as fourth (Krishna with three companions, the three being Samkarshana, Pradyumna, and Aniruddha). 8.Another verse mentions musical instruments being played at meetings in the temples of Rama (Balarama) and Kesava (Krishna). Patanjali also describes dramatic and mimetic performances (Krishna-Kamsopacharam) representing the killing of Kamsa by Vasudeva. 9.Also in the 1st century BCE, there seems to be evidence for a worship of five Vrishni heroes (Balarama, Krishna, Pradyumna, Aniruddha and Samba) for an inscription has been found at Mora near Mathura, which apparently mentions a son of the great satrap Raj Uvula, probably the satrap Sodasa, and an image of Vrishni, 'probably Vasudeva, and of the 'Five Warriors'. {I don’t exactly remember….but the same “Pancha Maha Yadu veerulu” is excavated some where near Krishna basin in AP….very recently...}..if i go like this, the list endless... From the early centuries of the common era, the inscriptions and references to worship of Krishna become very numerous. With all this available evidence its utterly false to say that our modern gods have their origins during Gupta reign.

Posted by: gopi kumar At: 2, Aug 2007 7:11:53 AM IST

I think there is some misunderstanding here. I am NOT holding brief for anyone. Mr. K.M.Reddy and all of you are welcome to your own views, likes and dislikes. I am not going to comment about that. Some people are apt to promote their own views even when it may not be very relevant. Some of us grin and bear it. As for Mr. Gopi's comment, there were two migrations out of Africa, according to modern anthropology. The first one was about 1.7 million years ago (Homo erectus type) and another one about 50-100 thousand years ago (homo sapiens). The theory about simultaneous human evolution at several places is more suspect now as per the latest news. No one of course knows anything for sure. But there seems to be NO reference to Indus valley culture in the vedic lore. There is a discontinuity. The vedic people appear to be mainly pastoral people who did not know of overseas trade and seafaring boats etc that plied along the Gulf coast. At the risk of a further digression, I may add some more here. Historians say that Hindu gods seem to have attained their modern form only during the Gupta period (5th century AD). Democratization of bhakti became more prevalent after the 8th century as a backlash against Jainism and Buddhism. Until then mass participation in vedic rituals was limited. If you feel that all this is irrelevant, pl pardon me. I did not accuse anyone in particular for offensive language. I feel it is much more pleasant to conduct discussion in a decent manner. Most of us here are interested in the topic and let us not spoil the atmosphere.

Posted by: Dr. Rohiniprasad Kodavatiganti At: 2, Aug 2007 4:34:41 AM IST

At the risk of a further digression, I may add some more here. Historians say that Hindu gods seem to have attained their modern form only during the Gupta period (5th century AD). Democratization of bhakti became more prevalent after the 8th century as a backlash against Jainism and Buddhism. Until then mass participation in vedic rituals was limited. ____________________________________________________ This is again a widely debated issue. The press has reported that 'The earliest elephant-headed human figure appears on a plaque found in Luristan, in Western Iran. Dating back to between 1,200-1,000 BC, this proto-Ganesha stands dressed as a warrior, holding a sword and a snake in one hand and a quill in another, a multi-hooded snake at his feet'

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 2, Aug 2007 4:09:54 AM IST

Posted by: Dr. Rohiniprasad Kodavatiganti At: 1, Aug 2007 8:35:23 PM IST ____________________________________________________ Agree with you Sir, But the questions here are ... Would you encourage hating Sanskrit just because you want to propagate Telugu? Is it necessary to hate one language and create stories about it to propagate another? If you can go down a few lines, you an find lines refering to invasion by Aryans, Muslims and Britishers and the 'undesired' discussion was based on such messages. One can lean the language anyway one wants to learn but it can not be forced. Let one advertize oneself .. if people like one, they would follow one or else they would follow some other .. but Do you think it is a sane thought to ban a language just because you hate it for some reason? Latin's syntax may be close to Sanskrits - but does it prove in anyway that Sanskrit was born in the Europe?

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 1, Aug 2007 11:03:56 PM IST

Rohiniprasad gaariki, Indus valleylo drainage system baagundi kaabatti....mayudu (raakshasa shilpi) manchi architect kaabatti....indus valley people are dravidians anukomantaara...meeru cheppinattu vyaasa kartha uddesinchina dishaga discussion nadavaledu...kakulavaram garu teluguni sulabha paddathilo kudinchi nerpavachchannaarani meeru antunnaaru.....naadi oka prasna....telugu baashaabhimaanam ki ee article ki enti sambandam...ee article vuddesaanni vadilesi....ee aryans or aryan hinduism valla telugu anagaaripothundi anadam emaatram samanjasam?....nannaya mundu telugu undi....mana duradrushtam koddi padmadevudu lanti vaaru raasina jaina telugu saahityam bayata padaledu....antha maatraana...nannaya nu andhra mahabharathaani thoolanaadavachcha....alaagey telugu ni support cheyyadaaniki sanskruthaanni, hinduism ni thoolanaadakkarledu....nenu sthoolamga cheppina maata adi...inka asabhyatha antaara...i never exceeded my limits...and he got what he deserved....meeru devullandaru okkasaariga srushtincha badaledu annaaru...nijamey..idi anni cultures ki varthisthundi...evolution...kaani hinduism antey devulley anukuntunnaara?....Aaa Vishnuvu evarantey SOHAM aney vaallu kondaraithey DAASOHAM aney vaallu kondaru...evaru correct antey emani chebuthaam...Meeru annattlu aryan invasion gurinchi ippudu evvaru maatlaadadam ledu...ippudu aryan migration(transhumance) antunnaaru....mari what abt the hindu traits found in Indus Valley antey...cultural assimilation antunnaaru...evaru correct antey...none of us saw them right? Aryan, Dravidians, Austroloids, Caucasoids, Mongoloids and Negroids.......every body evolved from Homosapiens...not manu or not adam....but where did that homosapien evolve in the first place antey...ee aryan invasion gurinchi leda transmigration gurinchi maatlededevaarantha middle east antaaru...then what abt the skeletal remains of Ramapithecus/Sivapithecus and H.D.Sankaalia's Soan Man found in india...this is a multi-polar world...and so is evolution...it took place simultaneously in many parts in this world...the prehistoric (Mehrgarh culture)society evolved into Indus Valley Civilization...no body disputes this...and with the available artifacts at Indus Valley...why cant it evolve into Aryan Rigvedic Hinduism ?...naadi correct ani cheppadam ledu...all i said was not to undermine our roots in ur zeal for mother tongue...kampu kotte chota parimalam vedajallakapothey kampu impu ayipothundi...mari untaanu

Posted by: gopi kumar At: 1, Aug 2007 10:53:58 PM IST

mottaaniki vyaasakarta uddESiMchani diSagA charcha naDustunnaTTuMdi. I rOjullO Aryan invasion guriMchi evarU cheppaDaM lEdu. AryabhAsheeyulu anEka viDatallO vachchi sthirapaDDAranI, vArini oka jAtigA parigaNiMchaDaM tappanI aMTunnAru. konni SatAbdAla pATu I jAtulanniTi madhyanA rakta saMbaMdhAlU, bhAshAparamaina laMkelU ErpaDDAyani UhiMchavachchu. siMdhu nAgarikata achchamaina nAgarikata. vAru ErpATu chEsukunna drainage system InATi akkaDi vyavastha kannA merugainadani aMTunnAru. ('rAkshasula' Silpi mayuDanEvADu dEvatala Silpi viSvakarma kannA kAsta goppavADani ayishTaMgAnE aMgIkariMchaDaM jarigiMdaMTE aMduku mu an jO daDO vaMTi nagara SithilAlE sAKshyamEmO). koMdaru kottavAru paSchimaM nuMchi vachchAranaDAniki konni bhAshAparamaina AdhArAlu unnaTTugA tOstuMdi. udAharaNaku muMdunnadi prAk (tUrpu), venaka unnadi paSchimaM, kuDivEpuna unnadi dakshiNaM, eDamavEpuna ettugA unna himAlayAlu uttaraM vagairA. lATin kU saMskRutAnikI unna pOlikalu telisinavE. Aryan , irAn anE mATalU aTuvaMTivE. asalu Arya aMTE goppa gAnO, nIchaMgAnO eMduku bhAviMchAlO, iMdulOni rEsisTu pakshapAtaM eTuvaMTidO nAku arthaM kAdu. SivuDU, iMdruDU, vishNuvU, modalaina dEvatalaMdarU okkasArigA okka chOTa sRushTi kAlEdu. Asakti unnavAru vivarAlu vetukkOvachchu. (nA lekkana matAla prAtipadika okaTE kanaka dEvuLLalO rEsijaM uMdanukOvaDaMlO arthaM lEdu). bhAshalannI manushulu tama avasarArthaM sRushTiMchukunnavE. dakshiNa bhAshallO saMskRuta prabhAvaM unnamATa nijamE. dAnni ivALa maMtriMchinaTTugA evarU tolagiMchalEru. aMta avasaramU kanabaDadu. prapaMchaMlO ennO chOTla ennO rakAla cultural imperialism pravartilliMdi. asalu InADu manaM achcha telugu anukunEdi kUDA ellappuDU monolithic gAnE uMDiMdA? aMdulOni sthAnika yAsalu konni prAchIna kAlaMlO aNagadokkabaDDAyA? idaMtA eppuDu, ekkaDa jarigiMdi? ilAMTi praSnalaku evarU javAbulu cheppalEru. bhAsha eTuvaMTidani kAdu. dAnni prastutaM manaM elA vADukuMTunnAmanEdE mukhyaM. kA.ma.reDDigAru telugunu sulabha paddhatilO kudiMchi nErpavachchunaMTunnAru. evarelA prayatniMchinA tappulEdu. I column lO asabhyamaina bhAshani vADEvAri guriMchi cheppEdEmuMdi? evari parimaLaM vAridi!

Posted by: Dr. Rohiniprasad Kodavatiganti At: 1, Aug 2007 8:35:23 PM IST

Posted by: gopi kumar At: 31, Jul 2007 9:57:21 PM IST ____________________________________________________ I think you have the correct medicine for these Racist Lunatics :)) And Dont ever expect him to answer your questions, for - he does not have any answers! And hope atleast you put this thing in his stupid brain that Telugu People would win definitely over the racists and hate-mongers!

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 1, Aug 2007 4:45:27 PM IST

mottaaniki telugu bhaasha guriMchi iMglIshulO pichchipichchigaa pOrADutunnAru..koTlaaTa bhalE raMjugaa uMdi.kaanIyaMDi. kaakulavaraM gaari prakaaraM rAmuDu Aryanu/vEdik dEvuDu. SivayyEmO draviDanu. mari vILLaddari madhya liMkulu peDutU purANAlu eppuDu evaru rASArO?vEdavyAsulavaarayitE rAmuDi guriMchi maatramE raayaali kadaa mari..SivuDini tokkEyaali..draviDanu kaabaTTi.. Emi aaryanulO..Emi draviDanulO..aMtaa bema.

Posted by: Bullibasu Bullibasu At: 1, Aug 2007 5:03:35 AM IST

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