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Articles: TP Features | | RugvEda rahasya bhASha | |
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| Yes, the vedas refer to river Saraswathi(modern River Ghaghar)and Himalayas...not the eurasian steppes or Ural mountains..and kakulavaram...if u call Saraswati river another myth....then let me remind u that it has been proved beyond every reasonable doubt through satellite imagary(ISRO) that a vast river existed at that exact location where Veda's mentioned it to exist and modern River Ghaghar is nothing but a relic of the past.....Kakulavaram...i am afraid your very rationality, objectivity in making statements is clouded by your prejudice to everything that is INDIAN...
Posted by: gopi kumar At: 31, Jul 2007 0:55:25 AM IST
Kakulavaramgaru,
Firstly, i never said anybody disputed that shiva and shakthi were worshipped by indus people...
I fail to see the myth in calling Aryans native to india...Tell me why do u think Siva and Shakthi are non aryan gods....u said that they are dravidian hindu gods...Tell us whts the difference between Aryan hinduism and dravidian hinduism...How can u conclude Aryans as invaders from the pastures of central asia....And with the available archaelogical evidence at Indus valley why cant u infer that indus valley people/hinduism are predecessors of Rig vedic Aryans/hinduism....Ofcourse, one cannot deny that indians are brown in colour....But please tell me the dravidian anthropological evidences in indus people to conclude them to be of proto dravidian race.....Tell me what language they spoke to allign them with dravidian linguistics....if aryans drove them to south india, who were here before their migration...If you consider Krishna and Rama to be Non-Dravidian Gods and only an import of Aryans(though u never explicitly stated)...how come they are depicted as with dark skin...I only said that there is a school of thought which infers(from the available archaelogical evidence) that Aryans are native to this country...and which i feel more cogent than the arguement which says that Aryans are invaders from central asia...The greatest myth of all time is to think that there is nothing common between Sanskrit and Telugu....And Trust me Kakulavaram, by saying that nobody is questioning the antiquity of Telugu...i am just trying to question your chauvinism which is, unfortunately, going to the extent of questioning our ROOTS...
Posted by: gopi kumar At: 31, Jul 2007 0:41:24 AM IST
Extending the logic of this Kakulavaram,
If the so called Aryans have migrated from the west, thee should have been references to the Western places in Vedas and Upanishads, but instead, they talk about Himalayas and the River Saraswati.
Even Prof Witzel now openly says he does not subscribe to the Aryan invasion theory anymore, perhaps his followers like this KMR aren't aware of that!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 31, Jul 2007 0:15:09 AM IST
Posted by: gopi kumar At: 30, Jul 2007 9:38:31 PM IST
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You are correct ... while the author is trying to explore the issue of Indian Culture giving rise to the western civilization, these racists like KMR are trying to misinterpret it. But well, people over here can read between the lines and they all know what he is ... let him misinterpret it, there would be somebody like me, who is as stupid as him to counter his meaningless crap :))
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 31, Jul 2007 0:00:28 AM IST
We will be better off in studying the truth than trying to create a myth - Aryan are native to India.
Regards,
Posted by: Mr. madhusudhanreddy kakulavaram At: 30, Jul 2007 10:06:54 PM IST
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Exactly,
We are better off understanding the truth instead of getting carried away with your Lies about Sanskrit and Aryan Invasion. This article only mentions about the Link betwen Sanskrit and Western Literature - but it doesnt prove your point.
Next, the actal date of Rigveda is still disputed. No one has been able to prove it either way. But it has been clearly proved that the ARYAN invasion has been a myth and its only a creation of the Racist Bigots inorder to serve their own vestged interests by dividing the people!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 30, Jul 2007 11:54:23 PM IST
Some researchers make interesting comparison of Rgveda with Zend Avesta, the holy book of Zoroastrians which seems to have been compiled around the same time (1200-1400BC). Their creator Ahura-Mazda is much deified. Ahura (or asura) was a good term for them while daiva was a bad word. Indra was condemned by them as daiva! Indra was, of course, much glorified by vedic lore until, somehow, he fell out of favour in later times. Once pastures and agriculture became the norms (as againt hunting-gathering) Go-pala became more popular compared to Indra, who seems to have been only a fighter. Hence we have curious incidents of Indra being 'defeated' by Krishna at every step (govardhana giri, parijatapaharanam and so forth). The Zend-Avetsan people may represent a branch that differed from those who chose to settle down in India and chose to go back to Iran. Siva and other deities were of course the original Indus valley gods.
Posted by: Dr. Rohiniprasad Kodavatiganti At: 30, Jul 2007 11:36:58 PM IST
Gopi Kumar,
No one is disputing Siva and Kali were worshipped in Indus valley. They are(were) Dravidian Hindu Gods. I don't know how you can jump from there to Aryan Vedic Gods? The Indo-european languages are(were) spoken in the West, Aryans claim they were white race which is also found in the west. If sanskrit is evloved in India, it should have some commonalty with Dravidian language roots. There is nothing like that exists. You can't deny India is racially brown race. Certainly there is nothing common between sanskrit and telugu. As Parbrahm Shastry said Andhras migrated to south and brought sanskrit with them and later used telugu script to write Sanskrit and called Andhra(Grandhika) bhasha. We will be better off in studying the truth than trying to create a myth - Aryan are native to India.
Regards,
Posted by: Mr. M kakulavaram At: 30, Jul 2007 10:06:54 PM IST
This is to the author... Professor garu....your article sheds new light and is quite educating... Many Indians are not aware of the presence of this kind of knowledge in our scriptures...and due to this ignorance we relegate them to bloody myths...Your interpretations are thought provoking...My earnest thanks for your efforts and we wish to see more of such articles in TP from you. Oka manavi...Can you plz explain me what are Aranyakas & Brahmanas ? How are they related to Vedas? What are Upanishads? How many are they? and what is in them?
Posted by: gopi kumar At: 30, Jul 2007 9:51:59 PM IST
Indus Valley people practised prototype hinduism evidence of which can be found in the excavated clay tablets of 'Pashupathi'(Lord Shiva), linga worship and a woman with vermillion on her forehead. Unlike Kakulavaram's, there is another arguement that Aryans or Aryan vedic culture evolved from Indus Valley Civilization. Indus people had trade with the people of Mesopotamia(Iran/Iraq). There is something called Boghaz Kai inscription found in modern Iran which mentions the names of Aryan Vedic Gods like Indra, Varuna etc. Such artifacts are an outcome of cultural exchange between the peoples of Indus and Mesopotamia. Yet, the hieroglyphics of Indus Valley are not fully deciphered to come to any radical conclusions. Nevertheless, my point is the author proved the Sanskritic foundations, the Hindu roots to all cultures and civilisations in this world. Not just the Greeco-Roman Myths, but the Biblical mythologies can be traced back to Sanskritic and consequently, to Hindu Roots. i am afraid Kakulavaram is misinterpreting the article to suit his own whims.
Posted by: gopi kumar At: 30, Jul 2007 9:38:31 PM IST
Dear Prof. Sivaprasad Mudigonda,
It is interesting to read your observations connecting Rig-Veda with Greek and Christian literature. We have more concrete proof that Sanskrit is connected to Greek and Latin languages. According to Philologists, the Indo-Europeans speakers lived around Turkey 10,000 years ago, and as the land become less fertile, they moved on different directions and took their language. Today the philologists say Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Persian and Arabic all have common roots and they all derived from the same base. Steven Wells in 'Journey of Man' described the same what Dr. Rohiniprasad said. Only after Independence more Indians are now educating and paying close attention to the India’s past and wanted to differentiate what is 'Truth' and what is 'Myth'? One thing is clear Indus valley people spoke Dravidian languages, they were racially brown people and they have worshipped Siva and Kali as Gods. Telugu is a Dravidian language, vast majority of Telugu people are racially brown and they too worship Siva and Kali in every village. Like rest of India, we were miscegenated by a small number of invaders including Aryans, Muslims and Europeans. India is essentially a Dravidian nation by race and it must re-establish its Dravidian identity, and accept the Aryan, Muslim and British contributions as add-on to our culture without compramising our Dravidian heritage. I want to thank you for taking us in the right direction.
Posted by: Mr. M kakulavaram At: 30, Jul 2007 8:42:46 PM IST
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