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Posted by: Mr. RAM BABU SIRISETTY At: 12, Oct 2002 10:23:26 PM IST
Dear Balaji
After going thru the answers u have put up , i feel that, it is better we put an end to this topic,it is leading us to no where but it seems to be more like mudslinging at each other, i could not understand one point which u have mentioned in u'r reply below, u say "And Mr.sai kiran advised me to go to a village and start preaching them what i mean. Just imagine can the village people understand what i am saying? Even you r unable to understand me completely. then how can i expect that a village person can understand me? since u r educated, you have just replied ur thoughts, but i will get stones back if i try to preach in a village,"
i could not make out why u said this? people do come out with comments and u should be able to take the critics in your stride, it should be assumed as a part of u'r integral development and shaping of u'r personality, which in turn would be a asset for u'r in the near future, i sincerely advise you to do a homework on the articles like these which are a bit sensitive, before u present them.
I still could not make out what is your focal point to choose this topic what u really would like to convey ?
As far as the reservations are concerned it is not a sin to make use of them, but let the people who really deserve it make use of it.There is no need to be depressed by the comments aired against u'r article, U should realise that we are SHARING OUR THOUGHTS nevertheless if u are set for a voyage u need to face the wind and wave .
all the best
Murthy
Posted by: Mr. narayanamurthy amirapu At: 18, Sep 2002 3:28:49 PM IST
Hi All
CORRECTION: Please read the first sentence, as:
.....Mr. Balaji’s contention and contempt is for casteism and not caste system.
Thanks, Adwait
Posted by: Mr. Adwait Aditam At: 18, Sep 2002 11:42:55 AM IST
Hi All,
It’s a good and needful discussion. We need to understand that Mr. Balaji’s contention and contempt is not casteism and caste system. Many contributors are right in questioning the validity of erasing casteism, without providing an alternate social order. It is naiveté to believe that other religions or countries don’t have some social orders similar to castes in Indian society. Humans tend to create some kind of groups to associate with each other and to have some kind of camaraderie.
Castes in Indian society actually do represent very high order of social sophistication. In the past what was one’s trade and personal vocation was their caste label and there was no rigid planes, where one individual from a caste (as determined at birth) could move to a different trade or occupation. Our history is abundant with examples. Chandragupta Mourya, was potter by birth or trade, went on to establish one of the best empire in Indian history, Shalivahana dynasty, founded by a weaver. Goutami Putra Satakarni, Pallavas of Southern India were Brahmins. Kurumas (shepherds in wool traded) ruled significant portions of erstwhile Vijayanagara Empire after the demise of Krishnadevaraya (who himself wasn’t a kshatriya).
Even the epics represent a very significant role of all people of castes playing significant roles and no mention of untouchability or apartheid in vogue at that time. Vyaasa, Vidura, Valmiki, Ekalavya are not of Brahmin origin but were authorities of morals and justice and are revered. Children born to a fisherwomen and Santanu were the descendents of the great kuru empire. Lord Rama himself took umbrage with tribal of vindhya and was fed lovingly by a tribal woman, Shabari. Viswamitra and Bhageerath were the greatest rishis, of Kshatriya origin. Shir Sankaracharya received wisdom from a chandala.
However, in present context they have generated into a rigid, morbid and moribund social practice, which has become a social bane to underprivileged and poorer classes. This is what all likeminded and socially progressive people resist and oppose. Castes system shouldn’t be resisted and opposed just because you cannot choose your life partner. That is only one negative facet of the evil posed by this practice. It is the self-styled moral indignation of the people belonging to a particular caste and the false pride associated that needs to be erased.
Reservations are all together a different topic of discussion. I do support reservations in some extent and not in the totality as it exists in the present form. We need reservations for many generations were deprived of opportunities to excel due the pure fact of their birth in a particular house, which are a hapless accident and not a premeditated event by any child.
However, we need to have a system to be in place where a person cannot use reservations forever in his life. He/She should meet certain conditions (economic, and illiterate parents, belonging to a designated socially backward place). Only one time use should be permitted either in Bachelor’s, Master’s or Job and not a constant roller coaster. Also, once used, it shouldn’t be extended to his/her progeny forever. Reservation elevated a dalit, K.R. Narayanan to the highest position of presidency of India. However, he using the same reservation to achieve medical seat for his daughter was utterly disappointing and degrading his character and repute. K.R.N has deprived another dalit of lifetime chance to progress.
Vande Mataram, Adwait
Posted by: Mr. Adwait Aditam At: 18, Sep 2002 11:41:16 AM IST
Dear all,
In a mood of depression i have given some harsh answers to Raji garu and sreeni garu. I am really very sorry for that.Inspite of my harsh coments you replied me in a cool way and showed your experience how to handle the situations in public life. I have understood the mistake that i have comitted. so i request you two people to forgive me. please......
AND THIS TIME I AM REALLY VERY COOL AND I AM NOT AT ALL QUESTIONIN YOU OR INSISTING YOU TO UNDERSTAND ME. I AM JUST KEEPING MY VIEWS HERE. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
First of all i felt bad for two types of coments. one is that i have CLEARY MENTIONED IN MY ARTICLE TO SUGGEST ME SOME THING SO THAT I CAN WORK IN THIS ASPECT. Even then so many of you again pointed me that i should do something before telling to others. please check it oncne. And secondly, some of you have misunderstood me regarding my education. All you have metioned that i should not take the seat and job on reservation. I have mentioned that i am still a student (third year) and i can get job easily through reservation. Here i have mentioned like this because Mr. sreeni asked me whether i am hating caste system only because of reservation (i think he thought that i am an OC candidate). And my idea of mentioning about my job is that i won't bother if i lose reservation for getting a job. But all you have taken this in the negative sence that on one hand i am enjoying the reservation and on the other hand i am opposing caste system and compared me to a politician. Just imagine can any one loose 3 years of career even to lead as an example? strictly speeking i can give beggar a rupee if i am having 10 rupees. if i am not having any money how can i help him? what i mean by this is that i can lead an example in coming future, But i can't go back to my intermediate education to lead as an example and spoil my 3 years of career.
Raji garu told that we can not eliminate some things in the society. Yes i agree with her statement. And i can also give examples for that. they are ragging, robbery, bribery, rape etc. But look at these things once. These are all not a part of our constitution and more over these are practised by some evil people that too secretly not in public. For that reason only we can't eliminate from the society.
But if you come to things like UNTOUCHABILITY which was practised very strictly by the public some 100 years ago, didn't we abolish that? Are our leaders didn't succeed in eliminating that?
And Mr.sai kiran advised me to go to a village and start preaching them what i mean. Just imagine can the village people understand what i am saying? Even you r unable to understand me completely. then how can i expect that a village person can understand me? since u r educated, you have just replied ur thoughts, but i will get stones back if i try to preach in a village,
AND FINALLY ONE THING TO MENTION. i.e Mr.Sai kiran POINTED THAT IT IS IN THE HANDS OF THE YOUTH. YES IT IS RIGHT. BUT THE SENIORS SHOULD DRIVE THE YOUTH IN RIGHT DIRECTION TO ACHIEVE ANY GOAL.BECAUSE WE ARE LESS EXPERINCED IN ALL THE FIELDS AND YOU KNOW BETTER THAN US.
plese note that here i put some question marks that doesn't meant that i am questiong you. I have kept that to give meaning to that sentence.
Balaji.
Posted by: Mr. balaji kati At: 18, Sep 2002 11:23:49 AM IST
Infact its a good article balaji.But just do urself introspection.U r asking people and society to give hand to ban caste system.thats good.Y dont u start from u.every big revolution started with a single person.
But i read some where in ur comments that u r enjoying reservation and u r confident that u will get good job also becoz of reservation.So my direct question is if at all u r so much hating all these caste religion all these things .y u r using reservation.dont say that u r ecnomically backward ok.I know how many people in open cateogry suffered becoz of this reservation.
So before asking and making some strong comments regarding anything first think whether u r following them r not.Ur views r like a politican.U all do but i wont?IS this ur motive??
So dont be too much excited while writing and replying comments.just think the facts and then reply.So if at all u r like jayaprakash narayan u follow first and show theway toothers also.
Infact our great great Ex president Narayan himslef utilised reservation to get Medical seat for his daughter.so u r nowhere compared to him.Its not ur fault.Its the people fault who still voting the bloody politicans who still giivng reservation to castes rather than giving to economically backward people.So thats y lot of inteligents are going out of this country.
I think this is also answer to one of ur articel what NRI's doing to our country.
Ok have a nice time.
sreeni
Posted by: Mr. M.S.Reddy At: 17, Sep 2002 11:35:20 AM IST
FINALLY HERE IS MY QUESTION PLEASE ASNWER THIS. THE QUESTION IS:
ALL OF YOU HAVE ALMOST OPPOSED MY IDEA OF BANNING THE CASTE SYSTEM. O.K TELL ME WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF PRACTISING THE CASTE SYSTEM. DON'T NEGLECT THIS QUESTION. IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO ANSWER THIS, IT MEANS YOU ARE STILL IN THE 19TH CENTURY AND YOU ARE DECIEVING YOUR SELF. JUST THINK ONCE WHERE YOU ARE.
Dear Balaji
I would like to know why you are heralading for the ban of caste system? what is up in your mind ?
if u feel that caste is in no way a constraint for what you would like to do,then go ahead and give a shape to the thoughts that erupt in your mind, You really donot need to give a damn about the society and the community,go ahead and implement your ideas , if u feel that caste is a constraint for your identity do not practice it ,as simple as such, but we cannot advocate to not to practice it,the coin will always have 2 faces, there are both disadvantages aswell advantages of a caste system, even if u are in 23rd century there is no harm in practising what ui believe in, lest it should do no harm to others.
It would be very easy to say this but when it comes to the reality it would be very much different to enforce.I appreciate the way you focus on sensitive issue, but i personally feel that your pen is directionless, it takes many a ways from the initiation and i feel this is where u come out with some other thing rather what u have in mind,i feel that u are losing u'r grip on the topic and surrendering your concise for a skeptical which would be harsh reaction for you, i reckon you are a bit obessed with
some critical and sensitive issues, but i feel the writings on sand will not stay long as the wind and water would erase them.I feel there should be a retrospective to the topic which u choose, i did not mean to hurt your ego or self but as a friend i feel i can take the liberty to tell you what i feel, if you can throw some light on these aspects as well do a introspection, i feel that your articles would be a treat to the readers.
all the best & cheers.
Murthy
Posted by: Mr. narayanamurthy amirapu At: 16, Sep 2002 5:45:31 PM IST
Balaji garu
I have gone thru the comments as well the answers of u'r s to Mrs Raji and Sreeni , I niether suport them nor offend you, but when u talk of the other countries and their caste system, could u please brief me about their culture and their history, could give me a candid answer about the civilasation,hinduism was pretty older to the other religion, i donot feel that removing or erasing the caste system from the society would do good, it should be used in a refined way,if u look at the history and the civilazation, the caste were meant for a proper living a path to lead a disciplined life, but i would say it was being misused for the personal gains and goals, infact other religions have the sectarianism for example catholics and protestants in christianity, sunni and shia in islam,lot more in other religions which we are not aware of, i would like to ask you a question is it because of your personla experiences you derive at the conclusion that cate system should be abolished,i feel having a caste system would do no harm lest if it is not made as a tool for the personal goals and egoistic deeds which would upset the serenity in the society as well a disgrace to the community.
cheers
Murthy
Posted by: Mr. narayanamurthy amirapu At: 16, Sep 2002 4:24:30 PM IST
Hello sankar garu,
Till now time machine is not invented. so right now i can't jump into 25th century. Any way if u can, then please invent that so that i can jump even to 30th century. I will be so greateful to you if you do so.......
Posted by: Mr. balaji kati At: 15, Sep 2002 3:22:14 AM IST
sankar garu,
you have completely caught me wrong. I am just a student of B.E. And as you thought i am not having so much of free time. But i am spending my time here to know the public views on different topics. till now i have not exposed to public. so let me continue like this..............
Posted by: Mr. balaji kati At: 15, Sep 2002 3:09:01 AM IST
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