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Articles: Devotion | Conversations with Sai
- Prof. venkata ramanamurty mallajosyula
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H: Swami, does that mean that our Centers should now move beyond the task of working with Center members and tackle the world?
SAI: The Center members must carefully work to become truly human before they venture to instruct the world.
SAI: How do you like the pictures? (i.e. portrait photographs for the college building to be dedicated on the 23rd).
Robert Bozzani (RB): We were afraid they were too large.
SAI: They are not too large. Swami’s picture will be the same size. Do you like the pictures?
H: Bozzani looks like a movie star!
SAI: No, no. He is smiling, whereas Mrs. Bozzani is more serious. Come, sit down.
Evolution to the Human.
SAI: At the center everything is liquid.
RB: Does Swami mean the world?
SAI: Yes, everything is melted. No temperature.
RB: No heat, Swami?
SAI: No temperature. Everything is liquid. Like water, gGold, iron, silver, gems, all are liquid. Next there is solid. Then trees.
H: Trees, Swami? Trees like we see around us?
SAI: Yes, trees. Then human beings and animals. At the very center is the Divine. It is the support of everything. First is liquid, chemistry. Then solid, physics. Then trees, botany. Then man, the pinnacle of life. But at the center, supporting all, is the Divine. Without the Divine, where is chemistry, physics, botany? This will be the teaching of all courses at the University. The students will understand the full picture.
H: In this picture, Swami, where do the devas and demigods and other creatures of the cosmos fit in?
SAI: They are above the senses. Man is below the senses. Those others are above the senses.
H: But all must come to be humans in order to merge with God, is it not so?
SAI: Not totally so. There is love.
H: Then, can man take a further step and go into the world above the senses.
SAI: That is possible.
H: But is it not possible to realize the Self, or merge with God, while in the human state?
SAI: Oh, yes. That can be done.
H: Does Swami mean that both possibilities exist, that man could go one way or the other?
SAI: Yes, one way or the other.
H: Then what makes the difference? What is the difference in man that he would make one choice or the other?
RB: That is what I want to know, too.
Realising God Through Love.
SAI: Love is the dominant reason. Compassionate love is pure love, unselfish. In the animal there is love, but it is mixed with lust. But compassion is pure love. Only man has compassion. Through love he may realize the oneness of life, and in this way, by love, he will be one with God.
H: Then, Swami, man can definitely realize God while in the human birth?
SAI: Yes.
H: But suppose he fails in that, and thus eventually finds himself as a being above the sensory level, what then?
SAI: The same holds true. God is love and wherever there is pure love and love only, that is God. Love is everything, but people do not understand love. Their understanding is confused. For example: There is a child. Mother and father love the child with pure love. The child is kissed and fondled and showered with affection. This is the action of pure love. In this action there is no lust; there is no lust in that love. Another example: A father is 40 years old. There is the wife and the daughter who is 18 years of age. The love of the father for his family leads him to kiss his daughter. In this action of love, there is no lust. It is pure love, compassion. The husband also kisses his wife, and in this kiss there is some mixture of lust. In both cases, the kiss was the action of love, but the love was different.
H: Swami, that is a wonderful explanation. The difference is very clear, and very important to understand.
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