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Conversion in any form is the DESTRUCTION of a CULTURE

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"well..to you reservation is a problem.. but to them bread and butter is the problem..the basic human need...FOOD!! also, they are being stamped by their caste and looked down in society..so they are seeking solace in a different religion..this might give them social security and a bit of confidence... So, what is wrong here?? " CHANDRA GAARU...VAADU,VAADI FAMILY MAARTHARU....MARI VAADI CHUTTALU HINDUS GA UNDI POTHARA???? MARINA TARAVATHA EDO DASHERA NO DEEPAWALO OSTHUNDHI.....VAADI RELATIVES ANTHA CELEBRATE CHESKUNTE.....VAADU CRISTMAS KOSAM WAIT CHESTHADA?? MALLI GUDILO PRASADAM KOSAM OSTHADA??? "manshi" anedhi endukante.....he is more civilized ani!! aa.."civilized" maataki ardham lekunda....oka animal laga bathakali anukoni chinna chinna vaatiki kakkurthi padi....vaadi sontha environment and identity maarcheskuntada? do u appreciate that or support that idea??? gimme one good reason....inka memu hinduism ni nammukotam dandaga ayithe.... 10,000 vaadiki chala ekkuva....adi untene vaadiki ooooo masthu ante.....its equally a respectable amt for me too!!! so nenu kooda 10,000 teeskoni maaripotha.....malli hinduism ki maartha ani bediristhe....inko 10,000 isthara??? so manshulni..dabu tho kanamani ...dabbu tho kummarinchamani.....chepthunda matham..... emo mari...hinduism religion kosam ...dabbu icchi konukkodu!!"so-called" manchi balavantham ga nooo.....or dabbutho manshini kono cheppadu!! what our religion preaches is something good for an individual!!!inka maaku konukkunentha paristhiti raaledu!!! proud to be a hindu!!!! bye bye

Posted by: Mr. RAJESH M At: 10, Nov 2002 10:26:49 PM IST

MY DEAR,FOOD KAAVALANTE PANICHEYYALI.... PRATHIVALLA LIFE STYLE KI OKA LEVEL EXPECTATIONS UNTAYI....RIKSHA TOKKEVAADI KODUKU...AUTO DAAAK ESTIMATE CHESKOVALI...IBM KAADU!!!oka vela antha aspiration unte......baga chadivi...scholorship utilise cheskovocchu!!! and anyways.....ok,food antunnaru kada...... listen,vallaki 10 velu isthe chala ekkuva... and aa 10 velathoti...entha varaku enni yr thintadu?????? adi entho chillar idea...cheap ga koncham dabbu ki mathaalu maarcheskoni...perlu maarcheskoni....its no way any wise decison...people stoop down so bad just for mere 10,000 !!! ANTHA DIGAJARAKA PONI ENNI ROJULU PEACEFUL GA UNDAGALTHADU???10,000 AYIPOYAKA? MALLI NENU HINDUISM LOKI MAATHAVA ANI OFFER ISTHE 5000 KI MAARTHADA)))))) hahahahahah AND WHATS THERE TO JUST DISCUSS ABT SUCH NASTY PEOPLE???

Posted by: Mr. RAJESH M At: 10, Nov 2002 10:16:41 PM IST

nijam gaa status vastundane anukuntunnaaraa? Christians koodaa "Converted" vaallani "Equals" gaa choodatam ledu. kaavaalante kanukkondi. "Religion" lo Solace choodagaligite prati "Religion" lonu undi. Convert ayye vaallani nindinchatledu. Convert chese vaallani , vaari motives ni question chestunnaamu. Try to understand the difference.

Posted by: Ms. Prasanthi Uppalapati At: 10, Nov 2002 7:26:18 PM IST

REservations period ayina ee rojullo,CAste gurinchi, Religion gurinchi maatlaadakundaa, charchinchakundaa yelaa undagalagadam. inkaa aalochinchaalsina samasyalunnaayi nijame. anta maatram cheta veeti gurinchi discuss cheyakoodadani yemundi? "Money Matters" or "Pralobham" tappa, ilaa matam maare vaarilo 95% "Religion" or "God" kosam kaadu. Ye Religion ki sambandhinchina God ayinaa(though he is one, he is treated as different), naa matam vaallake sahaayam chestaanani analedu. Srushti loni sarva praanula patla karuna kaligi undaali ane cheppaaru. Kaabatti "Conversions" anevi, kevalam tama "Population" penchukovadaaniki jarige prakriya maatrame. Convert ayinaa koodaa, mallee "Reservations" maatram kaavaali. Yemi nyaayam andi idi? "Caste System" dwaaraa venakabaddaaru ani kadaa, ee reservations provide chestunnaamu. "Low Caste" ani cheppi anni rakaala sadupaayaalu pondutoo(atleast many of them are getting), mallee "Religion" change avadam. Ridiculous. Asalu ilaa convert ayina vaarilo yenta mandi, aayaa "Religion" gurinchi baagaa telusukunna vaallu? Nothing. Just "Politics" and "Selfishness" and a strong "Desire to Spread particular Religions".

Posted by: Ms. Prasanthi Uppalapati At: 10, Nov 2002 2:35:50 PM IST

Rajesh nee point ento okka line lo chepthava? :)

Posted by: Saleem At: 10, Nov 2002 7:27:02 AM IST

let me add few words in this conversation!! We do not have any kind of solid proof untill day that there really existed someone called ram...or someone called krishna or say allah!!never we had any proof which let u take for cocksure that there was an era called "dwapara yuga" or "tretha yuga" !! all we know is abt this era so-called "kali yuga"!! WE EVEN DONT HAVE ANY SOLID PROOF THAT THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED HEAVEN OR HELL --- ON WHICH THE WHOLE SUBJECT RELIES!! So,all we have is a book which explained abt the society and its reformations which took place periodically!!let it be ramayana,geetha,quran or bible!! All the hero's of these epics and books were role-models n contributed a lott for humans! Lord ram....was never proved as a god!!he was a good king!he took good care for his subjects!!he was a good human(IDIOLISTIC PERSON) and so is worshiped by all!!same is the case with krishna...[raakshasulni champatam.....prajalaki melu cheyyatam]same is written in bible...about saving all creatures !! same is the case with quran....jannat n jahannom(buddi maa ki kahaani n all)!! so....all these things,say only one thing to humankind! NOT TO DO ANY EVIL ACTIVITIES ! THEY PREACHED GOOD THINGS AND SET SOME REGULATIONS FOR ALL SECTS OF PEOPLE!!ANDARIKI VAARI VAARI VRUTTHI DHARMALNI......SANGHAM LO PRAVARTHANA NI NERPINCHAYI!! MANCHI CHEDU VICHAKSHANA.....NYAYANYAYA BEDHANA...NERPINCHAYI!!! people were taught abt whats good and whats bad!! TAKE BIBLE,QURAN,GEETHA,RAMAYANA....ANYTHING!!! ALL THESE HAVE SAID THE SAME AND SET RULES FOR A GOOD AND REFINED SOCIETY AND THUS MADE COMMUNITIES!!! THE GREATEST ASSET ON DAY, IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GR8 IN FOLLOWING THEM TO PUT THEMSELVES REGULARISED!!! ASALU VINNARU!!!PAATINCHARU!! ADI GOPPA.. AND ALL I SAY IS THAT,ALA UNDATAM VALLA.....MANKIND KI OKA PRATHYEKAMAYINA REETHI RIVAAZ ANEDI DEVELOP AYYINDHI!!PADDHATI...PRAKARAM!!! SO.......I CONSIDER HIM AS GOD....WHO PREDICTED ABOUT THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF HUMANS AND SET ALL THESE VERY LONG BACK..THAT FORESIGHTED STATESMAN WHO WROTE ALL THIS AND REFORMED THE SOCIETY SO WELL!!! WHO EVER DID IT COULD BE THE MOST MAGNIFICIENT PERSON ON EARTH!!! .........AND NOW,COMING TO THE POINT.....WISE PERSON WOULD EVER THINK OF ONE THING!! " NO GOD WOULD SPARE HIM IF HE DOES ANY SIN!!!" ALANTAPPUDU....INKA MATHAM MAARATAM DENIKI....????WHATS THE EXACT PURPOSE??? DABBU KOSAM MAARADU ANTE...AKKADA MATHANIKI VILUVA ICCHI KAADU....!!! ITS CRISTAL CLEAR!! INNI MAATALU...INNI COMMUNITIES FINAL GA CHESINDHI ENTI...THEY ASKED US TO BE WELL MANNERED,THEY SET A THEORY ..DO-GOOD!! AFTER-ALL,MANISHI ETU UNTE ENTI,YEE MATHAM LO UNTE ENTI??MANSHIGA PUTTINANDUKU.....CHEYYALSINA DHARMALNI CHESTHE CHALU!!! AND MOREOVER...OKADU DABBU KOSAM MARITHE,ADI VAADIKI ENTHA VARAKU UPAYOGAM?? GATTIGA OKA BUILDING KATTALEDU!! AND ALL WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND IS......"FOLLOW THE GOOD THINGS WHICH THOSE BOOKS SAID AND NOT FALL AT THE BACK OF "GOD". DEVUDU CHEPPINATTUGA MANCHI REETHI LO UNDATAM MUKHYAM....DEVUDU KAADU!! GOD = GOOD!! LIES EVERYWHERE AND IN EVERYTHING !! ITS IN ALL OF US!!! HELL OR HEAVEN IS ON EARTH!!! U COMMIT A SIN, U WOULD SUFFER HERE!!U DO SOME GOOD!!U WOULD BE HONOURED HERE !! THAT SUPERNATURAL POWER IS NOTHING ELSE THAN THE REFLECTIONS OF OUR DEEDS! CHESEVANNI.....THAPPUDU PANULU AYITHE.....NO PRAYERS OR NO GOD WILL SAVE U!! GOD IS NOT SOMEONE FOR GRANTED WHOM U ASK FOR PARDON AND ALWAYS COMIT SIN OR PRAY FOR RICHES AND WEALTH !! HE IS NOT A ROUTE FOR EVERY SELFISH NEED OF A HUMAN!! ANTHA DAAKA ENDUKU......IVALA YEE DISCUSSION RAAVTANIKI KAARANAM KOODA....PEOPLE R BOTHERED ABT CASTE N COMMUNITIES...EDO VALLA VALLA NINCHI OKALANI TEESKELTHUNNARU ANI....THEY R NOT BOTHERED ABOUT GETTING THE EXACT AWARENESS TO THE PEOPLE!!!INSTEAD WE R STILL FIGHTING FOR CASTE N RELIGION!!! MANA WISDOM EMAYYINDHI??? **** END **** SORRY IF MY WORDS WERE ANYWAYS OFFENSIVE TO ANYONE!! NOTHING IS MEANT IN CONSIDERING SOMEONE!! ITS PURELY AN OPENION OF MINE!!!

Posted by: Mr. RAJESH M At: 10, Nov 2002 2:04:43 AM IST

let me add few words in this conversation!! We do not have any kind of solid proof untill day that there really existed someone called ram...or someone called krishna!!never we had any proof which let u take for cocksure that there was an era called "dwapara yuga" or "tretha yuga" !! all we know is abt this era so-called "kali yuga"!! WE EVEN DONT HAVE ANY SOLID PROOF THAT THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED HEAVEN OR HELL --- ON WHICH THE WHOLE SUBJECT RELIES!! So,all we have is a book which explained abt the society and its reformations which took place periodically!!let it be ramayana,geetha,quran or bible!! All the hero's of these epics were role-models n contributed a lott for humans! Lord ram....was never proved as a god!!he was a good king!he took good care for his subjects!!he was a good human(IDIOLISTIC PERSON) and so is worshiped by all!!same is the case with krishna...[raakshasulni champatam.....prajalaki melu cheyyatam] so....all these things,say only one thing to humankind! NOT TO DO ANY EVIL ACTIVITIES ! THEY PREACHED GOOD THINGS AND SET SOME REGULATIONS FOR ALL SECTS OF PEOPLE!!ANDARIKI VAARI VAARI VRUTTHI DHARMALNI......SANGHAM LO PRAVARTHANA NI NERPINCHAYI!! MANCHI CHEDU VICHAKSHANA.....NYAYANYAYA BEDHANA...NERPINCHAYI!!! people were taught abt whats good and whats bad!! TAKE BIBLE,QURAN,GEETHA,RAMAYANA....ANYTHING!!! ALL THESE HAVE SAID THE SAME AND SET RULES FOR A GOOD AND REFINED SOCIETY AND THUS MADE COMMUNITIES!!! THE GREATEST ASSET ON DAY, IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GR8 IN FOLLOWING THEM TO PUT THEMSELVES REGULARISED!!! ASALU VINNARU!!!PAATINCHARU!! ADI GOPPA.. AND ALL I SAY IS THAT,ALA UNDATAM VALLA.....MANKIND KI OKA PRATHYEKAMAYINA REETHI RIVAAZ ANEDI DEVELOP AYYINDHI!!PADDHATI...PRAKARAM!!! SO.......I CONSIDER HIM AS GOD....WHO PREDICTED ABOUT THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF HUMANS AND SET ALL THESE VERY LONG BACK..THAT FORESIGHTED STATESMAN WHO WROTE ALL THIS AND REFORMED THE SOCIETY SO WELL!!! WHO EVER DID IT COULD BE THE MOST MAGNIFICIENT PERSON ON EARTH!!! .........AND NOW,COMING TO THE POINT.....WISE PERSON WOULD EVER THINK OF ONE THING!! " NO GOD WOULD SPARE HIM IF HE DOES ANY SIN!!!" ALANTAPPUDU....INKA MATHAM MAARATAM DENIKI....????WHATS THE EXACT PURPOSE??? DABBU KOSAM MAARADU ANTE...AKKADA MATHANIKI VILUVA ICCHI KAADU....!!! ITS CRISTAL CLEAR!! GOD = GOOD!! LIES EVERYWHERE AND EVERYTHING !! ITS IN ALL OF US!!! HELL OR HEAVEN IS ON EARTH!!! U COMMIT A SIN, U WOULD SUFFER HERE!!U DO SOME GOOD!!U WOULD BE HONOURED HERE !! THAT SUPERNATURAL POWER IS NOTHING ELSE THAN THE REFLECTIONS OF OUR DEEDS! CHESEVANNI.....THAPPUDU PANULU AYITHE.....NO PRAYERS OR NO GOD WILL SAVE U!! **** END **** SORRY IF MY WORDS WERE ANYWAYS OFFENSIVE TO ANYONE!! NOTHING IS MEANT IN CONSIDERING SOMEONE!! ITS PURELY AN OPENION OF MINE!!!

Posted by: Mr. RAJESH M At: 10, Nov 2002 1:22:19 AM IST

Mr antha u r right. 1. what a poor man needs is the food. I dont think people are so much facinated by a (any )religion. So in places like orissa conversion rates are higher. If u look in the paper many hunger deaths are reported in Orissa. 2. the cast system in hindus is an other resaon for the conversion. Regd the window and child marrages, people were more afrid of the socity than the personal freedom(desire or happyness). 'Just dont care abt what oters think' probably makes every one happy.

Posted by: Mr. V Madhav At: 9, Nov 2002 11:38:55 PM IST

I agree with both of you. In fact, I have written an article, "Christianity - Conversions" but it was later deleted due to some horrible comments. Endowments Department take care of Temples for Historical Purposes(I suppose. I don't know the reason exactly). Since Temples are from ages in this land, we need to protect them as Historical Monuments. I very much agree with MR. Antha Nijam(If I am not mistaken, Mr. Sasidhar) that "All religious bodies must be under govt. control". For the question of Mr. Viswanadhan, OUrs is a Secular Country defined by our Constitution. So we can't order anyone "Not to Convert". The only thing is "People are using Loopholes in this case also as with all other cases". Coming to Religion, as Mr. Viswanadhan suggested, it is only belief. One should follow his own interest and intellect in deciding about his religion. IN fact, no one knows the complete teachings of a religion. IT is just "a game of sentiments" to many people. We, educated people, atleast be stubborn not to be a prey to the games of the Politicians and some fanatic religious persons. I am fully against to Conversion.(Though there is a census report that the population of Christians was not increased in the last ten years. Source - MR. Rajdeep Sardesai's statement in Big Fight.) You can see both my articles, Christianity-Conversion and Sentiments. http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=7336&id=4858 http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=7336&id=4865

Posted by: Ms. Prasanthi Uppalapati At: 9, Nov 2002 11:27:34 AM IST

Why do we have Endowments department that controls only hindu temples and property and not Christian churches? Just make all religious centeres maintained by govt and hence audited.85% of the problem will be solved. I dont think caste system only is responsible for this. It is a topic that can be exploited beyond proportions. Since hindus have no explaination to defend it...though they agree that it is an evil...they are helpless when someone hits where it hurts most. I think economy plays a mojor role than anything else here. Get all the christian religious bodies under govt control.. The reason why christian bodies are trying to convert lots of low caste hindus is not to relieve them from their chained lives... It is to strengthen their population. And it is universally known that they get more funds for converting more people. When these funds are channeled through a proper govt body..there is no personal gain for so called preachers and there will be no forced conversions. IS THERE A POINT----SINCE I DONT LIKE THIS GOD....I AM FOLLOWING ANOTHER GOD. IF A PERSON LIKE A POSSESION..HE MAY CHANGE IT...BUT GOD?...THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING MORE ECONOMICALLY FAOURABLE THING HE IS LOOKING FOR...

Posted by: Mr. antha nijam At: 8, Nov 2002 0:25:38 AM IST

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