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General Forum: Govt. and Politics | | Restore Telugu Pride | |
| That is exactly what it is - religious literature. I don't confuse it with factual history until proven otherwise. However, Mr.Vachaspati's claim that Vedic gods were not worshipped in India until 183 B.C is demonstrably false and a despicable lie.
Bahudoorapu, you are right, and I am NOT keen on starting an argument with someone like Mr.Vachaspati who bears ideological hatred to Hinduism and Hindu traditions, but am I to take it that people like him can speak whatever they want with scant respect for truth and other's beliefs?
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 29, Jul 2004 7:27:48 AM IST
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Perfectly misguided...response.
First truth must be defined first!
What is truth?
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What I said is this only: “//The first evidence of Vedic worship in India is first seen in the Sunga Dynasty in 183 BC. The Vedas existed in some oral form and were written only after 2nd c AD since Sanskrit did not exist before that.// “
It means, I have talked about evidence that is available. By the time of Guptas Puranas have evolved. Vedic Aryans aren’t Idol Worshippers…they worship nature gods. Sungas reshaped the beliefs and foundations of the Vedic religion, and it slowly transformed into Hinduism by the time of Guptas.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 2, Aug 2004 11:42:34 AM IST
Mr.Nmalikanti,
> You are still confused than before; I don't think the evolution of Buddhism you have understood properly;
Really? Which part am I confused about? The presence of Buddhists in Andhra? How so? Kindly elaborate so that I may clarify my confusion.
> Sometimes history and sometimes religion
Really? I am a rational person not given to accepting anything by belief. Acharya Nagarjuna and King Gautamiputra Shatkarni are historic characters, not religious fiction. Obviously you don't understand which part is religion and which part is history - that is YOUR confusion. Not mine. I am very clear as to what may be accepted as legitimate historic record in religious literature and which part is legend - let us take the example of Acharya Nagarjuna -
His identity is attested in Indian as well as Chinese and Tibetan records - do some research on the lineage of the Zen patriarchs and you MAY get a clue as to what I am talking about. There is also a lot of legendary information as regarding "miracles" he performed which I choose not to quote. If you dispute what I said about Nagarjuna, I am only repeating what the Buddhists themselves say about his identity - I don't see why they would lie about the identity of one of their most illustrious teachers. I advise you to do some research on Acharya Nagarjuna before you shoot off your mouth again.
> It doesn't prove any of it's nature.
Now, if anybody or anything is confused, it is your above statement. What is this "It" that doesn't prove any of the other "it's" "nature"? You could perhaps write in plain English or Telugu instead of in puzzles?
> So you agreed that they (stupas) were neglected
I can tell you that any number of old temples are neglected and are in severe disrepair in a lot of villages in Andhra including my own native village. What is your point?
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 2, Aug 2004 10:54:43 AM IST
samskRutamu dEvabhaasha sRushTi modalaina daggaranunchI vundi. hindI vaaLLU dInini dEva naagarilipi anianTaaru
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 2, Aug 2004 10:35:42 AM IST
You are still confused than before; I don't think the evolution of Buddhism you have understood properly;
What you are discussing is a remix of religion and history. Sometimes history and sometimes religion. It doesn't prove any of it's nature.
So you agreed that they (stupas) were neglected same time you agree it's not included in the telugu community.
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 1, Aug 2004 10:19:18 PM IST
Mr.Ntvodu,
I was replying to Mr.Madhu kumar Nemalikanti regarding the "colour" of Aryans. sandarbham ? look at his post before mine - and kindly shush yourself.
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 1, Aug 2004 8:46:59 PM IST
Mr.Madhu kumar,
There was never any confusion regarding the presence of Buddhism in Andhra Pradesh - Acharya Nagarjuna was from Andhra and lived during the time of King Gautamiputra Satakarni to whom he wrote a famous letter, the Suhrullekha - from the 2nd century A.D.
1) Do I want to reconstruct on top of the ruins? Why? For what purpose? Don't you want to preserve history?
2) Who built Amaravati, and who were the Buddhists? The answer is in the story of Acharya Nagarjuna himself - He was a Brahmin - who took to Buddhism and founded the Mahayana tradition of Buddhism. Meaning, they were Andhras like you and me. And yes, our ancestors constructed these.
3) If one preserves the Sphinx in Egypt, it is a treasure for humanity. So is a Buddhist site in Andhra. It does NOT have to be for "AP" or "India", so on. It is simultaneously for all - AP, India and the World. I don't understand why it has to exclude anyone. It is a matter of special pride for Andhras that one of the greatest teachers of Buddhism was born in our land, literally one of us.
4) I felt sadness. The Buddhists of Afghanistan were certainly more like us than the Taliban.
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 1, Aug 2004 8:45:44 PM IST
Intaki citizenship unda renewal cheyala?
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 1, Aug 2004 6:44:16 PM IST
Cinema perlettukoni telugu pride restore i_natluga tega feel avutunnava yenti?
Yallantha I_na felling kudanu!
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 1, Aug 2004 6:39:36 PM IST
May be it mattered you so much becuase migrated from basin bridge.
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 1, Aug 2004 6:34:08 PM IST
asala telugu community pride anede unte kapadukovacchu.. leni danni ela kapadutam :p
Posted by: Mr. Susruth doddapaneni At: 1, Aug 2004 2:17:13 PM IST
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