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At one stage of the discussion, you have meant to say that reservations for women is not needed. ____________________________________________ Not at one stage, I still say that the prducts of womens reservations are "good for nothing women"

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 19, Dec 2005 3:53:08 PM IST

Then you immediately questioned me what development the backward classes reservation achieved ____________________________________________ Well yeah when I was talkign about Backward classes you were talking baouyt reservations for the women, mixing up the whole thing .. newayz stepping back a lil .. talking about Reservations for women herez what you said Statement 1: I am not saying that what ever the government does is good and what ever the government does not do is bad. Statement 2: If some thing is done by the government, that means it is good.If it is bad, the society will agitate or even go to the Supreme Court. Dont you think you are contradicting yourself here?

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 19, Dec 2005 3:50:56 PM IST

//Again, please specify whether u are talkign abotu Womens reservations or Backward class reservations .. guess we ar getting things mixed upo there too .. // ___________________________________ At one stage of the discussion, you have meant to say that reservations for women is not needed. Then I discussed that these are needed for the development of women to an average level and as such government has made a Rule. Then you immediately questioned me what development the backward classes reservation achieved. TO EXPLAIN THE ABOVE I HAD TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING:- 1.Reservations for women 2.Reservations for Backward Classes 3.Government making Reservation Rules.

Posted by: Brenda James At: 18, Dec 2005 7:44:06 PM IST

//There were no reservations even during PV's regime// _________________________________ That is what I am saying; the government will give priority to see that large number of women are developed in an average level rather than development of a few women to top level. -------------------------------- //Is it that if Govt does what U feel is right then its good nd if it doesnt do, it would be bad?// ________________________________ Please don't get confused.I am not saying that what ever the government does is good and what ever the government does not do is bad. If some thing is done by the government, that means it is good.If it is bad, the society will agitate or even go to the Supreme Court. Like wise, if the government does not do something that the society thinks it should be done, then the society will go on agitation. ------------------------------- //But what about the Generations that already availed it? Are they forward?// _________________________________ Government will have multitudinal objects and not a single one.The rich and the poor, the intellectuals and the others, etc. are all born equally on this earth.Equal opputunity should be given to all of them as much as possible. Competitions are for the development of Science and Technology but not to the extent of depriving equal oppurtunity to the down trodden economically and socially.All of them should live to an average level. Hence reservations are not only to bring the down trodden to the forward level, but also to enable a large amount of the population to live an average level of life during their life time. -------------------------------- //Not reservations .. there have beem hundreds of decisions in the otehr areas .. what I meant to say was that just because Govt did that it need not be true. Ebven inj case of reservations .. Check how many times the constitution has been amended and check how many times the courts have struck down the reservations rule// _________________________________ Rules are not static.They are ammended as time passes depending upon the requirement of the society. How many times the provisions of reservations are ammended in the Constitution of India? How many times the Courts have struck down the reservations rule? If the Courts have struck down the reservations rule, then why will there be any grevience from some people even now? ----------------------------- // As I said, we bettter talk either about the Govt or About the society .. without mixing up both to twist the argument suit someone// I am not mixing up both the issues on my own.I am explaining them only to your questions of reservations and because these were made as Rules by the government

Posted by: Brenda James At: 18, Dec 2005 6:07:13 PM IST

And More over when we are talkign about reserbvations .. we are talkning about the reservation concept in general vis a vis development Again, please specify whether u are talkign abotu Womens reservations or Backward class reservations .. guess we ar getting things mixed upo there too .. We have many things getting intermingled Reservations Reservations for Women Reservations vs Development Reservations for women vs development Happenigns in Society Happenigns with the Govt ... lets hope we dont overlap oneanother creating confusion

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Dec 2005 10:37:54 PM IST

There were no reservations for women before that. _____________________________________________ There were no reservations even during PV's regime ----------------------------------------- I have already said that it is bad if the Bill on reservation for women in the Parliament seats did not get passed. ___________________________________________ Is it that if Govt does what U feel is right then its good nd if it doesnt do, it would be bad? ---------------------------------------- have already said that 3 to 4 generations have passed till now.That means new generations are born __________________________________________ But what about the Generations that already availed it? Are they forward? -------------------------------- Could you name those dozens of wrong decisions taken by the succesive governments in the case of reservations.Why were these not ammended by various Political Parties that have come to power? ____________________________________________ Not reservations .. there have beem hundreds of decisions in the otehr areas .. what I meant to say was that just because Govt did that it need not be true. Ebven inj case of reservations .. Check how many times the constitution has been amended and check how many times the courts have struck down the reservations rule As I said, we bettter talk either about the Govt or About the society .. without mixing up both to twist the argument suit someone

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Dec 2005 10:33:38 PM IST

May be - but there was no such development even "in a few women" before that. ______________________________________ There were no reservations for women before that.And I have already said that government sees that large number of women should develop in an average level than a few women to a high level. ----------------------------- So, you basic assumption that Reservations brought in development is wrong, as you have not quoted a single community that has been categorized as backward then and forward now. ____________________________________ I have already said that 3 to 4 generations have passed till now.That means new generations are born and the population of backward community people is increased rapidly.While so as per the statistics the population of forward caste people is not increased because many have followed family planning. ---------------------------- Who says so? In your own terms does the so called Govt. Restrict women through legal means? (Now, dont blame the society .. alternately, lets argue from one perspective .. either the govt or the society .. without jumbling them) ___________________________________ That is why I said that if reservations for women is there, the parents may be tempted to opt for the educational seats or in employment for their women children.What ever the society needs, the government will see to it that is enforced.If the government doesnot do it the society will agitate. ------------------------------- I asked, "Could you name a few communities which were categorized as backward in the 50s and now called forward?" ________________________________ I have given the answer above. ----------------------------------- Yeah, there are dozens of wrong decisions taken by the successive govts. Just because the Govt takes a decision it doesnt become correct. Would you support it if a bunch of chauvinists take over the Govt and impose Purdah system on all the women even though its a Govt decision? ___________________________________ Could you name those dozens of wrong decisions taken by the succesive governments in the case of reservations.Why were these not ammended by various Political Parties that have come to power? ------------------------------ OK. So if the Govt decides that the Women dont need reservations in jobs, shall I assume you would agree with that? ____________________________________ I have already said that it is bad if the Bill on reservation for women in the Parliament seats did not get passed.The government should do what is required for the society and if the government doesnot do it, the society will agitate.

Posted by: Brenda James At: 16, Dec 2005 9:59:47 PM IST

The development is only in a few women and not as I said in a sizable women. _____________________________________________ May be - but there was no such development even "in a few women" before that. So, you basic assumption that Reservations brought in development is wrong, as you have not quoted a single community that has been categorized as backward then and forward now. ------------------------------------- The domination of men is prevailing and women have to oblige them. ___________________________________________ Who says so? In your own terms does the so called Govt. Restrict women through legal means? (Now, dont blame the society .. alternately, lets argue from one perspective .. either the govt or the society .. without jumbling them) ---------------------------------------- In some states carpenter communities are BCs and the same communities are Scheduled Castes in other States.Because the backward communities are still not exausted it is still continueing. ____________________________________________ I asked, "Could you name a few communities which were categorized as backward in the 50s and now called forward?" ---------------------------------------- The Govt only looks at obscure short term measures and if whatever it does is right .. we wouldnt have roll-backs. _____________________________________ Explain it in detail please. ___________________________________________ Yeah, there are dozens of wrong decisions taken by the successive govts. Just because the Govt takes a decision it doesnt become correct. Would you support it if a bunch of chauvinists take over the Govt and impose Purdah system on all the women even though its a Govt decision? ------------------------------------------ A doctor will know if a patient needs only type of tablets or more.The government will decide if they need reservations and financial help also (Scholarships). _____________________________________________ OK. So if the Govt decides that the Women dont need reservations in jobs, shall I assume you would agree with that?

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Dec 2005 7:50:12 PM IST

India was underdeveloped until PV Narasimha Rao took over and until IT made it big. If India is an IT major now, its because only the brilliant candidates get in and the others work hard to attain the levels of brilliancy. We dont have reservations there, but people from all communites are tasting success (including women) ____________________________________________ The development is only in a few women and not as I said in a sizable women. ------------------------------------- Their men and women .. not just men .. Its nonsensical to blame men for the failures of women ________________________________________ The domination of men is prevailing and women have to oblige them. ------------------------------------- Could you name a few communities which were categorized as backward in the 50s and now called forward? _________________________________ In some states carpenter communities are BCs and the same communities are Scheduled Castes in other States.Because the backward communities are still not exausted it is still continueing. ------------------------------------ The Govt only looks at obscure short term measures and if whatever it does is right .. we wouldnt have roll-backs. _____________________________________ Explain it in detail please. ----------------------------- Exactly. So.. what the Poor father needs is financial help .. not the labyrinth of reservations _________________________ A doctor will know if a patient needs only type of tablets or more.The government will decide if they need reservations and financial help also (Scholarships).

Posted by: Brenda James At: 16, Dec 2005 7:36:31 PM IST

If there are no reservations to the backward classes this much of development as said wouldnot have been there. _____________________________________________ India was underdeveloped until PV Narasimha Rao took over and until IT made it big. If India is an IT major now, its because only the brilliant candidates get in and the others work hard to attain the levels of brilliancy. We dont have reservations there, but people from all communites are tasting success (including women) ------------------------- .There may not be ground level or domestic support to the women because of orthodox thinking of their men ________________________________________ Their men and women .. not just men .. Its nonsensical to blame men for the failures of women ------------------------------------ Therefore the people and their children of these communities or castes are downtrodden and the children of certain communities or castes people (now forward caste)are well placed ___________________________________________ Could you name a few communities which were categorized as backward in the 50s and now called forward? ------------------------------------------ The government or the society will not see the development of a few people to the levels of Kalpana Chawla.Instead it will see that a large number of people are developed to the levels of an "average" women. _____________________________________________ The Govt only looks at obscure short term measures and if whatever it does is right .. we wouldnt have roll-backs. -------------------------------------------- This is because a rich father could afford to spend more money to his son for his education and a poor father could not do so. ___________________________________________ Exactly. So.. what the Poor father needs is financial help .. not the labyrinth of reservations

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Dec 2005 6:47:44 PM IST

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