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General Forum: Govt. and Politics | | Restore Telugu Pride | |
| Mr.Vachaspati,
To quote from your cut-paste article further, your article claims "In the West, the Church today is similarly being threatened by the New Age movement. Satan used Monism and Cycle of Birth to enslave the early Indian Church and these are the key deceptions of the New Age movement.
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So Hinduism is a Satanic Cult to you and your author? Is this what you expect us to consider "Authoritative Historical Analysis"?
I challenge you to verify that you accuse Hindus of being followers of "Monism and Cycle of Birth" which come from "Satan"!!
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 26, Jul 2004 11:13:36 PM IST
Wonders create wonders! By loosing more more saliva ultimately the fluids transfering into coma: Nothing but thermostat in the brain temporarily withdraws it's function.
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 26, Jul 2004 11:05:08 PM IST
May be selling peanuts at baywatch!
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 26, Jul 2004 11:02:42 PM IST
The data from websites and the facts do never match. Everyone keeps information as they like since there is no approval from anyone.
Scrap, rubbish , nuclear waste every thing is collcted from various web sites and dumped over here.
Restoring Telugu pride?
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 26, Jul 2004 10:56:33 PM IST
Mr. Vachaspati,
It is dispicable that you simply picked up a piece of polemic that aims to discredit every fact that Hindus know about their history.
To point out one blatant factual error in your "cut-paste" essay, it crows:
"Vedic worship in India is first seen in the Sunga Dynasty in 183 BC"
Really ??
I will take the bedrock of Indian historical dating. The Buddha is authoritatively dated to around 500 B.C with reference to Alexander's invasion of India. Buddhist literature is full of references to the Veda, Vedic Gods, and many schools of Vedic thought. These were already established religious systems widely practiced at that time. So how come your "Eminent Historian" did not find "proof of Vedic worship" until 183 B.C some hundreds of years later? Is this a case of blatant lying to discredit Hinduism or is it objective Historical analysis? Who were the Mauryas worshipping before 183 B.C? Jesus Christ?
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 26, Jul 2004 10:16:37 PM IST
And by the way Mr.Vachaspati,
Where did you pick up that piece of polemic from ? Dalitstan.org? Great source of unbiased History indeed!!
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 26, Jul 2004 9:17:35 PM IST
Mr.Vachaspati,
I did not realize that you are also a Christian Evangelist! My apologies. In the interest of political correctness, I concede that Christian missionaries are true bonafide expersts of Hindu history.
Your cut-paste from what looks like a rabid essay of Christian polemic and propaganda is NOT proof. I reject it's validity. As for quoting Nehru, that is precisely the problem - he is not a historian - he subscribed to the contemporary racist theories of the age - of that great "scholar" MaxMuller whose closet-secret was discrediting the entire history of Hindu India.
If I had known earlier that you are a Christian polemicist, I would not have bothered arguing with you. Good luck to you and your Historic interpretation. And trust me, if I see your views in any publication, I will be there to disprove you.
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 26, Jul 2004 9:15:18 PM IST
Thank Q.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 24, Jul 2004 8:24:27 PM IST
Regarding Telugu please hit the following URLs.
http://www.teluguworld.org/Telugu/telugu_lang_history_2.html
I have studied about the linguistic group of Dravidian Languages in my P.G.
http://www.teluguworld.org/Telugu/dravidian_class.html
Some even say, that the originators of Indus Valleu Civilization were nothing but Dravidians, basing on the availability of several seals and at the same time, both belongs to, to some extent, Dinaric or Mediterranean anatomical features.
http://www.engr.mun.ca/~adluri/telugu/language/script/script1a.html
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 24, Jul 2004 8:11:37 PM IST
Adityaji,
Please go through the following. I am clearly know about Hettites. But as you argued very confidently, I probed the matter.
This is a research paper from Internet Search engine.
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THE ARYANS
The word Aryans is derived from the Sanskrit word 'arya' which means noble, and it is a fairly recent term referring to a mythical race whose key founding value is racism. It is applied to foreigners who entered India through the north-west sometime between 1,500 and 1,200 B.C, however, no archaeological data have been found in India to fix the date of this event. One way of introducing some certainty into this speculation is to correlate the coming of these so called Aryans into India with their forefathers settling in Persia, since they must have separated from their kinsmen after living for a period of time in Persia. Even 50 years ago very little was known about the migrations of the Aryans to that country, but recent archaeological excavations in Iran have made it possible to suggest an approximate date, which is around 1000 B.C. or later1. The first evidence of Aryans in India is seen in the Sunga Dynasty in 183 BC.
The Aryans established themselves in the Punjab and then gradually advanced eastwards. This was not an organized invasion of India, but was a part of a whole series of ethnic movements that affected both Europe and Asia2. It should be noted that this period of time covers the time of Israel entry into and possession of the promised land. It is commonly accepted that Joshua's death is about 1375 B.C. Thus as these nations were displaced from Canaan, it created a whole series of people movements that affected both Europe and Asia. These early Indian settlers belonged to the same racial group as the tribes that established themselves in Persia (Iran).
The Aryans were nomads and their gods were inspired by nature. In nature they observed a certain regularity, or order, rita, an order which they believed pervaded the whole cosmos, upholding the worlds of gods and men, the universe, the social order and human ethics. The altar was said to be the seat or womb of rita, implying that the principle which sustains the cosmos is itself strengthened at sacrifice. The sacrificial ritual remains an important part of the Aryan ritual.
As it happens, the only evidence3 which establishes any kind of antiquity for the Aryan gods, as a matter of certainty and not mere supposition, is epigraphic (ancient inscriptions). It has however been found not in India but in Asia Minor. The reference is in a tablet in Hittite cuneiform and written in the Akkadian language, discovered at Boghazkoy. The document is an adjunct to a treaty between the Hittite king Suppiluliuma and his son-in-law, the Mitannian king Kurtiwaza, and it contains a long list of the gods of the peoples who were parties to it. The date of the tablet must be some year within the reign of Suppiluliuma, which was from 1370 B.C. to 1335 B.C.
The gods are invoked to witness the conclusion of the treaty and guarantee its observance. The gods of the Mitannians are named in these forms: Mi-it-ra, U-ru-ua-na, In-da-ra, and Na-sa-at-ti-ia-an-na. It is evident that these names correspond to Mitra, Varuna, Indra, and Nasatuau of the Vedic pantheon. The following curse is pronounced against the Mitannians: "If you, Kurtiwaza, the prince, and the sons of the Hurri country do not fulfil the words of the treaty, may the gods, the lords of earth, blot you out, you and the Hurri men together with your country, your wives, and all that you have" 4. This suggests that these gods were local principalities.
There is also a close linguistic affinity between the Mitannians and the Indo-Aryans in respect in cuneiform, which contains the so-called Horse Treatise by a Mitannian named Kikkuli. This was also found at Boghazkoy5.
The significance of the theogonic (an account of the origin and the descent of the gods) and the linguistic data furnished by these tablets, scanty as they are, has been discussed by many distinguished scholars in all the connected fields meticulously. The point at issue is the whether the analogies are to be accepted as indicating a direct ethnic, religious, and linguistic connection between the Mitiannians and the Indo-Aryans, or merely a distant relationship which could have developed during the nomadic wanderings of the Aryans through West Asia.
To put it more explicitly, the question is whether the gods mentioned in the Boghazkoy inscriptions are merely proto-Aryans or later, and identical with the Indo-Aryan gods of similar names who are found in the Rigveda, but who first made their appearance in history in the area around Mesopotamia. A common sense view would assume a close connection. In fact, it has been pointed out, the analogy between enumeration of the gods in the tablet and in the Rigveda (10:125-1b.c.). No other mention of these gods or any other Aryan god is to be found in any inscription anywhere for about 1200 years after this6.
The first evidence of Vedic worship in India is first seen in the Sunga Dynasty in 183 BC. The Vedas existed in some oral form and were written only after 2nd c AD since Sanskrit did not exist before that.
Today what is seen in Hinduism are the Six-fold religions based on Siva worship and are linked through the names of the family relationship of Siva. According to mythology, Siva has two sons through Sakthi and two sons through Vishnu and totally seven members are mentioned in the family of Siva. They are Siva, Sakthi, Kumarakkatavul, Pillaiyar, Vishnu, Brahma and Ayyappa. Amongst the seven, Brahma was cast away as a cheat and a liar, and according to tradition there should not be any temple or worship or religion in the name of Brahma. Discarding Brahma, there are six religions in the names of the rest, and thus the name Six-fold religion. 7
The six-fold religion developed under the influence of Christianity. Siva's roots are from Isa, but the religion evolved by syncretism. In the 8th c A.D, Adi Sankara amalgamated the Six-fold religions, Saivism, Vaishnavism, Saktham, Gaumaram, Ganapathyam and Sauram, by using monism and the cycle of birth. His efforts resulted in the caste system and his motive was to pave the way for the supremacy of the Aryan Purohitas under the guise of religion.
In the West, the Church today is similarly being threatened by the New Age movement. Satan used Monism and Cycle of Birth to enslave the early Indian Church and these are the key deceptions of the New Age movement.
Since Adi Sankara's time, the people of India and the world have been deceived by the Aryan Purohitas that they are the forefathers of Hinduism. They portrayed Hinduism as being very ancient originating from the Vedas and the mother of all religions. The Vedas have absolutely nothing to do with today's Hinduism and over the years history has been warped and evidences destroyed to hide these facts.
An important fact is brought out in the account of the religion, philosophy, literature, geography, chronology, astronomy, customs, laws and astrology of India about AD 1030 by Alberuni (edited by Dr. Edward C. Sachau). He states that,
"The Indian scribes are careless, and do not take pains to produce correct and well-collated copies. In consequence, the highest results of the author's mental development are lost by their negligence, and his book becomes already in the first or second copy so full of faults, that the text appears as something entirely new, which neither a scholar nor one familiar with the subject, whether Hindu or Muslim, could any longer understand. It will sufficiently illustrate the matter if we tell the reader that we have sometimes written down a word from the mouth of Hindus, taking the greatest pains to fix its pronunciation, and that afterwards when we repeated it to them, they had great difficulty in recognising it."
This is a clear opposite to Yuan Chwang's time in the 7th c AD, when this young Chinese Buddhist scholar came to India in search of authentic sacred books which he accomplished. However, scholars indicate that the same is not true with early Tamil classics like the Sangam literature (3rd c. BC - 3rd c. AD) which are remarkably helpful in the reconstruction of history (K.K.Pillai, Tamil Literature as Source Material for History - Journal of Institute for Asian Studies). However, in these last days God is exposing these lies and enabling His people to tear down all the false foundations.
One interesting fact is that in Sri Lanka which is largely Buddhist, there are many castes which is unusual for Buddhist societies. The population of Sri Lanka is mainly Sinhalese who constitute 74 % and they are an Aryan people8. Thus we can see that where ever the Aryan people are, the society is degraded by racism and oppression. This is the root cause of the civil strife in Sri Lanka today. Another clear example is Adolph Hitler who also claimed to belong to the mythical Aryan race.
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1 Hinduism, Nirad Chaudhuri, Oxford University Press, 1979, pg 31.
2 Hinduism, edited by John Hinnells and Eric Sharpe, Oriel Press in association with Blackie, India, 1972, pg 12.
3 Hinduism, Nirad Chaudhuri, Oxford University Press, 1979, pg 42.
4 For the original document see Keilschrifttexte aus Boghazkoy (1916-68). Translation by A. Goetze is in Ancient Near Texts relating to the Old Testamant, edited by J.B. Pritchard. Third Edition (1969), p.205.
5 For the Horse Treatise see Hippologica Hethitica by Annelies Kammenhuber (1961).
6 Hinduism, Nirad Chaudhuri, Oxford University Press, 1979, pg 44.
7 '108 Questions to Sankara Mutt', Dr. M. Deivanayagam, The Revival Movement of Dravidian Religion, Chennai, India.
8 'Operation World', Patrick Johnstone, 1993.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 24, Jul 2004 8:03:46 PM IST
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