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General Forum: Govt. and Politics | | Restore Telugu Pride | |
| Mr.Saleem,
It is still a matter of perspective and perception. I don't think the scholars you quote were speaking of Sanskrit "oppression". It is clear that they are talking about "Sanskrit-elitism" - NOT against Sanskrit or arguing that it was oppressing Telugu. If you want to convince me, you'd better come up with quotes that are a lot more direct.
So what I am saying is this - the poets that you quote:
1) did NOT say "Sanskrit was OPPRESSING Telugu"
2) what they DID do is speak against Sanskrit-Elitism in Telugu scholarship.
Now it is obvious that claiming oppression and speaking against elitism are NOT the same thing. So which one you choose depends on what YOUR perspective is as I stated earlier.
It is obvious that you subscribe to the Tamilian Dravidianist school and so you choose to believe that Sanskrit was oppressing Telugu.
I believe that the encounter with Sanskrit (and Prakrit before it) was the key event that produced Telugu from a tribal proto-Telugu. I say "proto-Telugu" because Sanskrit/Prakrit is VERY MUCH a part of the evolution of the Telugu language.
As for your question regarding the structure of Telugu language - if you read my earlier post, I clearly stated that Telugu was of Southern Indian origin and NOT of Sanskrit origin. I am not sure if you intentionally misread my earlier comments.
However, Telugu as we know it today as a sophisticated, literate language would NOT have been possible except for the influence of Sanskrit. To illustrate my point, I point you to Koya, Gondi and other tribal languages that are the closest siblings of proto-Telugu. Do you disagree?
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 13, Jul 2004 10:24:55 PM IST
"unsubstantiated guesswork ???"
I can give loads of linguistic references. I ask you to read works of 12 th century telugu poet paalkuriki sOmana. He LIVED in those times of oppression. In his works, You can find numerous quotes explaining the oppression of language, either basavapuraaNam or panDitaaraadhya charitra. He is the first one to revolt against it.
Who can forget his famous line: "telugu maaTalananga valadu, vEdamula koladiyakaajooDuDu".
This one line tells all the story. And I do not think he subscribed to school of Tamil dravidianism.
And also read raayaprOlu vaari "tenugu maanyayu" khanDika. He talks about, the respect telugu lost in those centuries..
"yaavannibiDaandhralOkamukhabaashitamai SrutisEvamaanya jeevannavaneetamau tenugu paalasamudramu pukkilinchenE? " ani raayaprOlu vaapOyaaDu. (Ref. article by DaakTar. dwaa. naa. Saastri).
Telugu lost its pure vocabulary upto certain extent, due to sanskrit dominance. But due to efforts of numerous telugu literary personalities we had through centuries, we could save telugu and found balance between sanskirt and telugu. Well, to project them selves as 'elited circle' people used sanskrit in old times, like they use 'english' now.
And I want to know, if you can tell me about the structures of telugu and sanskrit language. Telugu language structure is more close to sanskrit or to rest of dravidian languages?
And I wonder "telugulO aadi kavi evaru? nannayaa? lEka sOmanaa?"
Posted by: Saleem At: 13, Jul 2004 5:22:47 AM IST
padmahasta gaaroo, maadi pa. goa. zillaa kaakaraparru graamam - mahaakavula puTTillu. vijayanagaramloa vaedula vaaru unnaarani naaku telavadu - vaaLLu kooDaa pa. goa. zillaa vaariki sambandhinchina vaaraenaa?
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 13, Jul 2004 3:15:01 AM IST
orey durgaa prasadoo nuvvevaro precompilers gurinchi koosinappuDae arthamayyindi Good to hear from you - always the Telugu Nationalist! naakeppuDuu telugu abhimaanam baagaanae unDaedi - neeku gurtunDakapoavachchu.naenu gata aeDeLLugaa swachchamaina karNaaTika mariyu hindustaanee shaastreeya sangeetamu maatrame vinTunnaanu :)
naenu monna maeloa haidaraabaadu vachchaanu - naaku teluguloa maaTlaaDinappuDu teluguloa samaadhaanam cheppakapotae manTa - baTTalakoTlalo baTTalu ammevaaDu pratiokkaDu engleeshulo maaTlaDaevaaDae - okaNNi aDigaanu aemiTi paristhiti ani - maatrubhaasha urdoo annaaDu - inka naenu noaru moosaesukuni tappukunnaanu
As for Mr.Saleem's opinion that "Sanskrit oppressed Telugu", well it is unsubstantiated guesswork on your behalf and the other wise men you quote - those that subscribe to the school of "Brahmins and Sanskrit destroyed Dravidian Culture" - in other words, Tamil Dravidianism.
I myself believe that there is nothing especially Aryan about Brahmins or un-Aryan about non-Brahmins. Being Aryan is Cultural - not racial. Brahmins happen to be tasked with preserving the Aryan lore and language. That's all.
If you see Sanskrit as corrupting a "pure Dravidian culture", that is a matter of perspective - your right to have an opinion is as good as mine.
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 12, Jul 2004 11:10:50 PM IST
:)
Posted by: Pallavi At: 12, Jul 2004 2:54:36 PM IST
svAgatam rouDIgArU svAgatam
narakAniki svAgatam . vastE nannu kalavanDi. nA nambaristA mIru vachchEppuDu mayilutE.
andukE niSAnt nEnu annAnu, mIrU sAmbAru dESamlOnE unnArani. chUSAnu mI dESAnni, mI pakka dESAnni(singapUr ), dAnnI pADu chESAru I sAmbArugALLu.
aunU, mI dESamlO telugOLLu lErA?
narakam lO telugu janAbhA kAstinta ekkuvE ani vinnA chAlA sArlu, kAnI nAku telugu vinapaDindE takkuva. akkaDa oka telugu sangham , oka telugu pAThaSAla kUDA unnAyi. tyAgarAya nagar lO telugu vinipistundi, kanipistundi. alAgE flavar bajAr venakAla (EriyA pEru marchipOyA) telugu kanipistundi. akkaDa telugOLLu telugulO mATTADutAru. ika nA sahOdyOgulu kondari mAtRu bhAsha telugu, kAnI vAru madhurai vAstavyulu. madhurai teluguvAraTa. sompugA unDadu kAnI, telugE mATlADutAru inTlO. mA AviDaki vALLa telugu assalu artham kAdu, nEnu chakkagA artham chEsukunTA. (prI kampailar undilEnDi).
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 12, Jul 2004 2:42:37 PM IST
rowdy garu kruthaznathalu, naku koncham charitha week lendi, anduke adiga.
namaste durga prasad garu, adenandi kondaru emi anukuntaro emo ardam kadu, poni aaa mataldedo sakakranga matladatara ante adi vundadu, ilantivallaki nakku anni telusu ani dabu kottukunevadu todaite manlanti prekshakulaki pandage pandaga.
inka pote, nenu krishna zilla, nandivada mandala vastavyudani (kangaru padakandi gudivada dagagra lendi). meekku mallae reakka adithe gani dokka adadu kadamri, anduke prastutam malaysia lo vunna nandi, andukeannadi, ekkadiki poyina tappatam ledu ani, ikakd akuda tamil vallu chala mandi vunanrandi, ade appudu british vallu shippullo pani cheyyadainiki teesukuvachina santa, vallu enni taralu marina, kukak toka vonkara ani ekkado vokadu tappa max vallu aaa paki panulu chesukovalsinde, ledante mana kerala vallu stenolaga nurselu ga ela fix ayyaro, ikkada receptionist la vallu fix ayyaru adi vishyam, valla moolanga maa bharatadesam paruvulu potuntai andi appudappudu
Posted by: Mr. nishanth gadireddy At: 12, Jul 2004 2:14:33 PM IST
Nishant garu .. desa bashalandu telugu lessa ani annadi Srikrishna Devarayalu
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 12, Jul 2004 2:01:44 PM IST
durgaaprasaadu gaarU naaku kooDaa narakavaasam tappETaTTu lEdu Waaaaaaaa :((
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 12, Jul 2004 1:58:55 PM IST
hahahaha niSant chakkagA cheppAru. ainA mIru unDEdi sAmbAru dESamEgA? nAku vALLanTE mA cheDDa chirAku, ainA tappadu, nEnunDEdi narakam lO prastutam , gata aidELLugA(madhyalO ilA ilA naraka vimukti kalugutundi). ippuDu nAtO unna pannenDu mandi sAmbArOLLE, nEnokkaDinE telugODini, hOTalantA arava@m gOla. nA kharma.
mIru cheptunTE, mA nAnna sahAdhyAyuDU, chinnanATi chelikADU daggari bandhuvU aina okAyana chIrAllO, nAluginglIshaksharammukkalu nErchukuni EdEdO mATTADutU unTADu, chinnappuDu mammalni tega ibbandi peTTEvADu, appuDu mAkinglIshu sariggA rAdu kadA, tega goppalu pOyEvADu. mEmu vidESAlu tirigAka kUDA alA mATTADutU unDEvADu, oka sAri gaTTigA vAteTTADu mA tammuDu, chirAkEsi, nEnEmO, pOnIlE peddODu ani vadilEstE. ilA endukanDI goppalu pOyi DAbu kOsam rAni bhAshalO avastha paDutU peDutAru aNgNjAna prajalu?
ika I AdityagADEmO modaTnunDI inglIshu pATalu vinTU mammalni champukutinEvODu, elvis preslI , hevI meTal anTU. vADi bAbAy amerikAlO unTArulEnDi. ika vEmana SishyuDA anTE, vADiki alAnTi paTTimpulEvI lEvanDI, ekkaDainA eppuDainA elAgainA batikEyagalaDu.
ika nA pEru durgA prasAd , chIrAla vAstavyuDini, telugu mAta muddu biDDaDini. prastutam narakam (chennai) lO jIvachchavam lA unnAru udarapOshaNArthamai. rEpu rAtri naraka prayANam ... pch Emi chEstAm ? rekkADitE gAnI DokkADani batuku kadA. mI parichayam ?
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 12, Jul 2004 1:54:52 PM IST
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