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Hinduism & Patriotism

I am really sorry. I missed a point to mention "there is no place for logic and reasoning but this statement applies only in this case........." 1997 lo Ooochakotaki guraina Kashmiri pandits ni kaani, Ayodhya godavallo praanaalu kolpoyina Patabasthi ki chendina Tirupathi Naidu kutumbaanni kaani.....ninna kaaka monna asuvulu baasina Bharatamma muddu biddalu 13 mandi BSF jawanulni kaani venakki teesuku raagalgithe..tappakunda reasoning teeddaam!! Ivanni jaragavu. Hindus e okkariki meedaki thamaku thaamugaa vellaru.Evaraina meedakosthe edurkontaaru. Ippudu jarugutondi ade!! Nenu ashrayam ichina naa preakkavaadu naa meediki katthi duusthe neninka Gandhigaa vuntaanu ante vaadu naa gochi chimpesthaadu. Evari jaagrathalo vaallu vundaali. Culture(Samskruthi) gurinchi maatlade mundu naa samskaaram emito thelusukuni maatladathanu. Samatha gaaru! meeru Samskruthi gurunchi inthaga maatladaru...mari eppudainaa mee samskaaram gurinchi aalochinchaaraa? Cheers Murali

Posted by: Mr. prasanth N At: 5, Dec 2001 7:43:00 AM IST

Thanks! I can check dictionary but it would have help more if “you” explain in detail (I need not to mention “your” name, your logical brain can understand this is about “you”) If any one ask you how that person looks, you explain like tall, fair etc….do you think that person can get complete picture about him/her? The best way is “introducing the person”, here what I want to tell “you” is, for you or for me doesn’t need any oxford dictionary, meaning for “culture” that is unclear like explaining about a person. Oxford can’t discover culture in front of you, better way is just open “your” eyes and see the world. Read the people and understand what is culture. Read Indian history hope after that you don’t talk about Indians humanity and wisdom. Ok, I have no right to talk about HYD and Pandits issue, what do “you” think?? Sorry Friends, I hate to address single person but I have no other alternative.

Posted by: Mr Ravikiran R At: 4, Dec 2001 11:48:29 PM IST

Hey i have been following this discussion rather arguments....true swami vivekananda is not the only person who analysed Hindusism...we can add Sankaracharya, madhvacharya , ramanujacharya to name a few. And now coming to the main point ......"hinduism and Indian culture are the two sides of the same coin". So let us discuss this with "logic"....the other religions which are practiced in India including christianity and Islam are a part and parcel of Hindu culture. They are hindu christians and hindu muslims......laughing at me?? Ok read this and then think twice before laughing......... Why do christians and muslims follow hindu customs right from birth to death....most important occasion is marriage ....why do they give importance or prominence to "nallapusalu" and "mettalu". I don't think(or iam sure) muslims and christians living elsewhere other than india give a damn to these things. Why do these people come to hindu astrologers to fix dates or time for ceremonies? I can give many examples like these. So what the above points show is Hindu Culture and Indian Culture are intermingled in a such a way that what ever line of difference existed before dosen't exist anymore now. So any one who goes against Hinduism or Indian culture are triators. As indians it is our duty to protect our way of life(which agains is hinduism). These things i wrote acc to my logic and now with out logic as a strong follower of Hinduism......"india belongs to Hindus". Those who are naming their kids as binladen in India( i read in newspapers) can leave india and go and happily live in Afghanistan .

Posted by: Ms meghana n At: 4, Dec 2001 9:05:12 PM IST

heyyyyyyy, I am suprised to see when some one says we need not reason to do something..... :-). Rather, scared to see such people.... What else can I talk!!!!! :-) God help you Murli......no no sorry; I think the better statement will be - God save me from these people. :-) Enjoy!

Posted by: Ms Samatha G At: 4, Dec 2001 6:17:34 PM IST

Naaa abhipraayam.... Analysis antha chaala baavundi. Great! 2001 nundi ee analysis paniki raademo... "So obviously we cant ignore "Hindu culture"...A real Hindu will not make this statement...any way!! If somebody asks me to comment on this statement..I,being Hindu, would respond aggressively "WHO THE HELL ARE U TO IGNORE INDIAN RELIGION" "one can not clearly differentiate Hindu culture and Indian culture..as I found lot of ifs and buts in the previous analysis. And hence could not be proved INDIAN CULTURE IS NOT HINDU CULTURE" Ilaane modatinundi mana vaallantha analyse chesi.. chesi.. chesi, mana desham lo godavalu intha varaku techaaru. Logic ki, reasoning iha chotu ivvadalachukoledu. Anduke.. "INDIA IS HINDUS COUNTRY.OFCOURSE, OTHER RELIGIONS CAN LIVE WITH US PEACEFULLY. IF THERE IS ANYTHING AGAINST HINDUS (WHENEVER I REFER HINDUS, THEY ARE INDIANS), IT WOULD BE DEFINITELY VIOLENCE AND THERE WILL NOT BE PLACE FOR ANY OTHER RELIGION IN INDIA". No real Indian will be against this statement. As I said there is no more place to logic and reasoning. HAVIND SAID ALL THIS I DONT THINK THERE WILL BE SOME MORE CASE STUDIES ON RELIGIONS... BUT THERE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE PROBLEMS HINDUS ARE FACING.... No hard feelings...idi naa opinion. Murali

Posted by: Mr. prasanth N At: 4, Dec 2001 4:25:13 PM IST

Note: The "you" and "yours" here doesn't refer to a partucular person, but to everyone who "fits" up to that. :-) Yours: "what is culture" Sol: look up in a dictionary. --------------------------------------------- Yours: "Can anyone imagine India with out Hindu culture?" Ans: No never, because "Hindu culture" plays a vital role in Indian culture with many other things put together. So obviously we cant ignore "Hindu culture". --------------------------------------------- Yours: "Do we need to think about staticness or oldness?. We need to think how well they are useful" Ans: Yes we have to. Otherwise how can you logically deduce the "usefulness" of something. We have to think everything with minutest of detail. --------------------------------------------- Yours:"Religion principles or cultural habits dont come from any supernatural powers, persons make those. agree to this?" Ans: I agree on cultural habits, but I donno know if I can agree on religion principles. If the principles of a religion keep chaning according to what every person wants, I find myself confused to define a religion. (Look, a bit of change in Hinduism did give rise to Sikkism,Budhism ....etc etc... so if you want to change the principles of religion, one have to establish a new one" --------------------------------------------- Yours:"Then whats wrong in mentioning names, why are we scared to mention?" Ans: There is nothing wrong in saying a particular religion/person contributed to culture, but thinking that some particular religion covers the whole of Indian culture is wrong. Let me try to give an example, well, Sir Vivekananda contributed a lot for Hinduism....true that he had an very good idea of what Hinduism is about....but what he (however great he is) thinks isn't the complete Hinduism........his ideas is just a view of the great religion .... obviously he cannot cover everything of a great religion to completeness....... its just impossible. (This doesn't have anything against Swamiji, I am a follower of his). Same is this thing.... putting "Hinduism" in place of "Swamiji" and "Indian culuture" in place of "Hinduism" in the above example. (I did take this example because you all "seem" to be great followers of Hinduism and this may appeal you; anyway) --------------------------------------------- Yours: "About Kashmir and Hyd Old city" Ans: This resulted because, people started thinking everything in terms of religion. (As you have defined what "Indian culure is". Before making this statement did you try to see whats meaning of culture?? ( you ask about that after someone contradicts your statement). did you try to see what could be the relation between a Nation and a religion??? You came to this statement because you know Hinduism has contributed a lot to culture (Even I agree). above that its because, you are Hindu (if you had belonged to some other religion you would have thought in terms of that religion). You, forgot to analyse the question without partiality.....the first thing that you saw in that sentence is "Hindu culture" and that made you forgot about the words "Indian culture" and about the logic.....) People started thinking in terms of religion at the first place keeping aside their wisdom, humanity...etc etc things every religion tries to imbide in their followers. And that could be the reason why "some Muslims" talked about Bin Laden but forgot about Kashmiri Pandits. when you yourself cant think with out any prejudies, you dont have the right to talk about someone else... --------------------------------------------- Conclusion: I know I have been going against many peoples expectation. This isn't against Hinduism ..... I myself am a Hindu and a great follower of it... I love my religion, I love my nation ..... above all I love myself as a human being; blessed with wisdom, power to think, who is concerned for humanity , society .........("I" here is to do with human beings). Lets use our brains and get to a proper reasoning .... we are educated and are expected to have a broad thinking...... I have to pass these statements as I can see a bit of "religios fanatism" shown in this discussion. Lets not give rise to that.... I guess we need to have a more understanding about religion...... Lets see...

Posted by: Ms Samatha G At: 4, Dec 2001 10:08:41 AM IST

Hi, Chala baga analyse chesarandi. Meeru telugupeople lo baga participate chestunnaru. Nenu antha clear ga wrayalenandi. Any way congrats. Keep it up. Radhi

Posted by: Mr Murali Krishna J At: 4, Dec 2001 10:05:22 AM IST

Friend is trying very hard to prove “INDIAN CULTURE IS NOT HINDU CULTURE” Well then what is culture??? Can any one Imagine INDIA without HINDU culture? we need not to think weather they are “static” or “old” we need to think how they are useful to the mankind, RELIGION principles or CULTURAL habits don’t come from any supernatural powers, person(S) makes those. agree with this? Then what is wrong in mentioning name(s) or religions? Why we need to SCARE to mention? Hope every one remember HYD old city incident, why we should get impact with AMERICA bombing on AFGHANISTAN? Why people not able to respond on KASHMIRI Pandits issue? Theoretical implementations can prove any thing (may not now, tomorrow we can do taht), This is time to peep in to the real lifes; we need to see what is going on around us Thanks Ravikiran

Posted by: Mr Ravikiran R At: 4, Dec 2001 1:04:36 AM IST

hey all, Regd the statement "Indian culture is Hindu culture" I guess people here are confused between the concepts religion and culture. First, make the difference between them so that some statements can be deduced correctly. A religion (whether it is Hinduism or Cristianity etc etc) teaches us many things. May be some religions are good enough to cover everything of life. But thats not the culture of people. A culture is defined on a society (not religion) its bound to time (culture not static but what a religion teaches is same now and 1000's of years back.) Thus, even if we consider a society comprising of ONLY HINDUS and if hinduism is powerful enough to cover all aspects of culture and if everyone of that society does the way it is taught in the religion....... then the culture of socitey could become the culture of hinduism. (Observe that there are 3 "ifs" here) Now, coming to this context "Indian society", even if we accept the "second if" (Hinduism is large enough to cover every aspect of life) is satisfied........the 1st and 3rd "ifs" are not satisfied. because, our society doesn't have only Hindus and not every Hindu does the way it is said in the religion. (May be of infinite reasons....like somethings may have become out of date concepts,some may not be possible practically etc etc). well, what did I try to prove till now?????? simple, "Indian culture is not Hindu culture". ============================================= Coming next is, Murli's "ideas"... Mr Murli, I guess you got through the above ones and again regd your point that "Indian culture is born from Hindu culture"... let me say as I said earlier..... culture is time bound.....culture today is diff from culture tommorow so obviosly the notion of where the culture is born is not relavent. and now "concentrating on religions which are creating problems to nation"..... well, I dont think a religion can create problems...its people who create problems. May be that people of some particular religion are attracting others using 'religion name' to "cause problems to our Nation". Religion is innocent of its name being used by some problem creators... Hence our target is not on a particular religion but people using it in wrong sense. Thus one have to crub any organisation/school/college which preaches against our Nation but not which preaches for their religion. Thus if an organisation (whether it is a Hindu or Muslim or etc) is against the intrest of nation, one have to ban it. But not start link it with religion... Assumptions made... (The assumption made here is; there is nothing written against the motherland in any religion. This assumption makes sense as the religions of main concern here are born far before the concept of Nation. and if at all this assumption is not valid, we got to remove the roots religion from our nation completely i,e no one must be allowed to follow it; we cant say, we accept that religion but dont want people to follow that religion.) Murli, I would like to change some statements of yours like point (2), Rather than saying, "Indian Muslim organisation/shools which are..... " its more reasonable to say, "Any organisation/school which is teaching youth the usage of weapons against the intrest of India/Indians are to be banned" Thats what I aimed at, with this longgggg lecture :-). Let us be open enough to think the things in a broader sense and try to put correct problems before attempting to solve them. When we aim to solve a problem one has to have a proper understanindg of the problem statement. well, am tired! have a break! Enjoy!

Posted by: Ms Samatha G At: 2, Dec 2001 3:08:26 PM IST

Hmmm...yea!! Sorry I left the discussion in between...Let me continue..... So our policies (not the India Govt policies but the Real Indians policies) are pretty clear.. 1. Threat from the neighbouring country directly in the form of sending terrorists and supplying arms to them should be addressed/treated. 2. The Indian Muslim organization/schools which are training the Muslim youth in using arms should be banned. 3. Any kind of threat to Hindus and Indians should be answered properly. And any similar kind of problems which are mainly harms the Indians must be taken care off.. "I FEEL.. UNLESS WE TOGETHER WORK FOR OUR COUNTRY AND CULTURE.....OUR NEXT GENERATIONS ARE GOING TO SEE THE BROKEN INDIA WITHOUT FOOD, SHELTER, CLOTHS" Time to think.... Cheers Murali

Posted by: Mr. prasanth N At: 1, Dec 2001 10:16:11 AM IST

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