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General Forum: Religion | | THE CREATION | |
| i will ask all of you only one question.lets go by shastra pramana only.
it is said that "brahman is nirvikara".what does that nirvikara mean?
that which does not change at all.then how can that brahman be changed into a creation?
as i said in the dream-dreamer analogy,the dreamer is real but the dream is unreal and the dream is present in the dreamer. similarly god is real ,creation is unreal and this creation is present in the god but god is not present in this creation.
and the concept of time is irrelevant.time is just another dimension created by man and it is said even by scientists like Einstein
that time is the 4th dimension.it is just a cycle and there is no beginning or end.so to say that the creation is created 4-5 billion yrs ago is meaningless.
Posted by: Mr. venkata subrahmanyam oruganti At: 18, Feb 2004 12:13:39 PM IST
raghuthomarao garu,
in the spiritual sadhana, there are various planes of wisdom and in the vedas slokas are there to address to all palnes of people.a layman or a primitive man rather may not understand the concepts of avidya,aparaa bhakthi and the omnipresence of god.the reason is quite simple.it is because those concepts are very abstract and man should possess some threshold level of intellect to understand those concepts.so, forthe beginners , it is said that god is different from humanbeing.he controls the world and if man commits any sin , he will be punished in a so called yamaloka.and if he on the other hand does good acts , he will go to swargaloka and there he will be rewarded.also, it will be said that if you pray to god ,he will give you whatever you want.this is just to initiate man into praying god and doing good deeds.this is just like a mother telling to her child that she will give him chocolates if he does the homework.the child does homework because he wants those chocolates but the mother's intentions are very different.had the mother told him that you will get good job if you study well (instead of offering chocolates)and so do the homework, the child will never do the homework because in his tender age,he will not understand that concept.
in a similar way,if we say to a beginner that this creation is not there at all and everything is in your mind and there is no god other than you(brahma), then he will just run away.so, in the vedas and in our puranas , the concept of duality is introduced and from it came various sects like dwaita,vishishtadwaita and adwaita.what many people are not able to recognise is that these are not different paths to liberation but these are steps of the same path and the final step is adwaita. the final and the highest quote from upanishad is
"brahma satyam jagan'midhya' jjeva brahmiva na paraha""
here midhya means it appears real for some people(for ordinary people like us) and unreal for some people (for people who have realised god)
so as long as we talk in relative sense for our comprehension , the creation is real but in absolute sense, there is no creation at all.
"sarvam khalvidam brahma"
there is no second thing other than brahma.
our goal is to realise that and for inability to realise that the goal will not come down.
Posted by: Mr. venkata subrahmanyam oruganti At: 17, Feb 2004 10:35:40 AM IST
quantum theory!
maya!
dream!
Brahma!!
Posted by: Jharna At: 14, Feb 2004 9:42:11 AM IST
well,
Raghothama Rao garu, what u said may be right.but what i can never agree is that there are two entities.if ever there is any other entity other than BRAHMA then where and when it is there?that implies that BRAHMA is not present everywhere and everytime.that means BRAHMA is not infinite.by introducing a second entity, u are reducng that infinite to a finite thing.
what u have said about samskaras is right.actually, we are all in a big cosmic dream.i will give a small analogy.a person who is dreaming ,in his dream finds many other characters.as long as he is in that dream,he finds them as real and it is not wrong.it is a relative truth applicable only in his dream.but as soon as he comes out of his dream, he finds that all those characters are not present in reality.in a similar way, as long as man is in the big cosmic dream, he finds multifaceted world and that is relative truth.but once he awakens from this by spiritual knowledge,he finds that they are not present at all.this is just an analogy but we cannot say that god is dreaming.he is fully conscious unlike us in a dream.
then how to get out of this dream world?the thing is every one in this world is hypnotised and so everyone thinks that this world is real.so the realisation is such a herculean task.by incerssantly contemplating about BRAHMA and its qualities and meditating about it, our mind (which is a part and parcel of universal mind)tend to come out of the hypnotism.that is the reason why sadhana is required.even that sadhana is unreal.it is like a dream tiger seen in a dream and get out of the dream.the dream ad the tiger both are unreal but our awakening is real.
as for sadhana, by meditating regularly, by trying to mingle with pure minded people,we can realise it.as long as we have a pure mind we attract pure people.but if we lie everytime and if we are egoistic, we tend to attract such hypocritic people only.so "SADHANA CHATUSHTAYAM" are necessary.
Posted by: Mr. venkata subrahmanyam oruganti At: 14, Feb 2004 9:15:30 AM IST
Your question and explanation are self explanatory.
Have you seen devils ?
Who am I ? posted under Oke prasna.
Someone answered you don't know. Probably he can answer for you more logically than rationally.
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 13, Feb 2004 2:16:37 PM IST
hi everybody,
it is said that god is omnipresent.it means that there is god in every human.then why these people are not cognizant of that and why they are behaving like devils?why should we make any effort to reach or realise the god if there is no second thing other than GOD.talking in absolute sense ,where is our existence?why are we feeling ourselves as individual entities?as is said in upanishad "sada soumyam edam agra aaseet ekameva ADVITEEYAM" there is no second thing OTHER THAN BRAHMA.then who are we?and we are perceiving not just 2 things but multifaceted world.
answer these questions in a most logical and rational way.dont tell in an abstract way that we are in maya or avidya.after the response, i will give my view on this abstract issue.
Posted by: Mr. venkata subrahmanyam oruganti At: 13, Feb 2004 10:18:07 AM IST
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