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General Forum: Society | | muslimlaku rijarvEshan` pathakamlo Oveisee kuTuMbaM kooDaa prayOjanaM poMdachchaa? | |
| Sneha garu, i beg to differ from you on the aspect of compromising merit in fields like professions like Doctors, etc. We live only once, but knowingly, can be put somebody to risk like one's life, eye etc. Are we doing the right thing? The damage caused then is irrepairable. All other fields, jobs it is acceptable, but criteria to professsional fields like Engineers, doctors etc., has to have some justification. When we wish to admit/show our kith and kin to doctor, we go to the best possible, would not delibrately risk to show them elsewhere.
Posted by: DoBoy At: 9, Aug 2005 11:39:22 AM IST
Sneha garu,
I fear we are going tangentially.
Please reconsider your opinion in saying that 'unconditional reservations' are justified.
I am not questioning the continuance of reservations.
If the benefited families alone get the benefits, what about the rest in that community or caste? Do not you think it is unfair if a rich man proudly declares "I am still an underprivileged person?". Then are they not the first enemies to that community or caste itself?
Unfortunately, "Serving the villages and motherland" is a forgotten matter these days.
How can we expect people investing lakhs of rupees for admissions to technical & medical courses to serve villages? That too, where no facilities are available?
Moreover, can you guarantee that these 'privileged backwards' will certainly help better the situation in villages?
Granted that they are prepared to work like that selflessly, how many 'takers' are there, when the order of the day is to get treatment in sophisticated hospitals?
(Common man has already lost belief in our system itself, wherein the only criterion is money-spinning & nothing else.)
The problem is elsewhere. Let us discuss it in a leisurely manner.
Posted by: SATYA RAMA PRASAD KALLURI At: 9, Aug 2005 3:42:22 AM IST
I remember a dialogue in a Telugu film, wherein a person said bluntly "Perhaps ours is the only country where each one competes with the other to have a 'backward tag' whereas anywhere else in the world it is the other way!"
What a plight!
Posted by: SATYA RAMA PRASAD KALLURI At: 8, Aug 2005 1:45:30 AM IST
Did I hear somebody say Muslims never asked for reservations?
These links say otherwise
http://www.keralanext.com/news/index.asp?id=289688
http://www.india-seminar.com/2005/549/549%20zoya%20hassan.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/sep/23inter.htm
http://www.islamicvoice.com/may.99/COMMUNity.HTM#WES
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 7, Aug 2005 11:42:55 PM IST
Mr. Hyderabadi,
I am very glad that a minority community person (I understand that you belong to this community, as per the feelings expressed by you) has started participating in this discussion.
I shall be too glad if you come forward with your points openly.
I am the person who initiated this topic.
Your frank views on reservations to Muslims
are most welcome.
I am of the firm opinion that the reservation benefits are being enjoyed repeatedly by the creamy layer, which again means that only their children enjoy these benefits. The real losers are the 'eligible' & 'needy' candidates.
If the facility goes to a person of genuine tears, it will be welcomed by one & all whole-heartedly.
On the other hand, no body relishes the grievances of men who shed 'crocodile' tears.
Already the entire reservation system itself has become a farce (tamaashaa?).
Needy person - yes
Mediocre person - Emphatic 'no'
Otherwise how can the nation progress?
Giving opportunity to the deserving person is always welcome.
Now you please express your feelings.
Posted by: SATYA RAMA PRASAD KALLURI At: 7, Aug 2005 8:32:12 PM IST
I am so sorry about my fellow people who don't know how to discuss the things in public discussion boards/chat ,some people are beating around the bush ,some people r directly abusing one community and caste is this relevant to topic of the thread ,first of all my opinion is, thread title itself confusing..
Here one point we remember weather SC/ST/BC or Muslims never ask the govt for reservations in education / employment.
In India most populated community is Hindus and also policy makers also Hindus why they r framing this rules, think once and educate the people who elected those people.
Some people are huge cry and hues abut creamy layer people’s sons claiming reservations.
Yes I agree they got economic status not social status still they are treating as an untouchables (this I personally experienced, some people in outside the India also facing this problem)
Posted by: Mr. The Fountainhead (A.K.A Fake ID) At: 7, Aug 2005 7:51:24 PM IST
charcha baagaanE konasaagutunnaMduku saMtOshaM.
lOtugaa aalOchistE, 'kreemee lEyar`' vaLLu maatramE maLLee maLLee laabhapaDutunnaarani arthaM avutuMdi.
reMDu taraala muMdu ee prayOjanaanni poMdinavaaLLu vaaLLa vaaLla ooLLaki EM chESaarO oka sarvE chEstE ee naayakulaki, baagupaDina aapheesarlaki, vaaLLa kulaM vaaLLapeina eMta prEma uMdO arthaM avutumdi.
(idee - nETi telaMgaaNaa naayakulaki telaMgaaNaameeda unna prEmalaaMTidE).
mana raajyaanni 'velphEr` raajyaM' ani cheppukuMTunna ee prabhutwaalu ee rijarvEshan`la pEru cheppi 'kotta upa kulaalanu' sRushTistunnaayani telustOMdi kadaa!
jayaprakaash` naaraayaN` vaMTivaaLLu ee arthaMlEni rijarvEshan`laku vyatirEkaMgaa Edeinaa udyamaM modaleTTitE baaguMTuMdEmO?
Posted by: SATYA RAMA PRASAD KALLURI At: 7, Aug 2005 8:14:32 AM IST
The other way is, if he is not eligible under this, then the next option is may be they can may be under MP/MLA quota.
Posted by: DoBoy At: 6, Aug 2005 10:48:07 AM IST
How far is it a good idea to consider a lower cut off mark on the basis of reservation cateogry in professions like Doctors etc? In future , he would be a doctor and many patients life in his hand. Is it a good idea to compromise merit in such professions?
Posted by: DoBoy At: 6, Aug 2005 10:45:49 AM IST
My Question was about Reservations to Muslims ...
As far as I understand, the reservations were meant for some castes that come under the Hindu fold, but not for Christians or Muslims because those religions claim they dont have any divisions within their religions.
Buddhists are entitled to reservations because Buddhism is considered to be a paert of Hindusim.
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 6, Aug 2005 1:52:05 AM IST
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