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This little bonehead is still clueless about what has been discussed here... In Software Companies, people atleast get paid for the work unless the Crappy Research Labs where in the sole Objective of the Scientist to "Satisfy his/her Boss" at any cost and yet get underpaid ... A Scientst B carries Tea & Files for Scientist C and Sc C licks the feet of SC D and so on .. a case of outright slavery! Now tell me what should be called a Brothel ... Infosys or DRDO? Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 6, Jun 2006 6:18:43 PM IST == WHo has to do that?U n me?Like I said already,it is the gov which ahs to make suitable policies to attract and retain the best talent.Please read again what I said in my last post. //We have resourses to make internationally renowned MBAs,IITians. Why cant we channalise some resources towards creating ultramodern labs and motivated work force? The gov can create special team of people in each Department like DOS/DAE/Defence and give competent pay package comparable to the best in pvt industry. Actaully our govt allocates crores of rupees to these departments annuaaly in our budget but always,every year some amount is not spent in the financial year.Some of these resources can be channalized toward the above purpose. People would work for gov,even more happily than they do in pvt sector,if pay packages are good. One should not leave them with better pay packages alone.Otherwise surely laziness would creep in.Accountability amd the same strict supervision which is seen in pvt sector must be introduced.Then only we can hope of making India a super power.Pvt sector can play only a marginal role in this nation building work.But it is the govt that must take a big hard step to cleanse the system of all its deficiencies. Political initiative is a must for this.Otherwise people would continue to leave govt organisations/our country in search of money.// M.R. You are welcome.Please also read my today's post down here. Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 5, Jun 2006 10:53:37 AM IST Above all the issues you mentioned, it is the remuneration first.Nobody in research labs would get remuneration comparable with that in S/w field. Infrastructure? Yes to some extent.(to some extent coz our infrastructure is not comparable to that in US labs) Forget about academic research and doing Phds.Apart from IISc and IITs (that too few departments(few individual profs I would say),the academic research people/facilities are pathetic.I was actaully refering to research labs under ISRO/DRDO/BARC/CSIR/and not to the academic research coz theseare the labs that are supposed to be the primary leaders in research in their respectiv efields ,like their counterparts NASA ets in US,and these labs do get lot of funds sanctioned from our annual budgets. Treatment? Again if one goes to ISRO/DRDO/BARC/CSIR/ ,one gets good treatment but the main problem is again remuneration.Thats why annually all fresh scientists from these organisations make a bee line to software industry after spending a year or so in these orgns.So it is the money. Better work culture? perhaps ,but our young chaps are more worried about moneteray compensation than work culture which ofcorse is superior in S/w companies,due primarily to they being PVT companies where inefficiency is not tolerated.Same discipline can also be (must be!) imposed in govt research labs.It is not impossible if one tries proper methods like the ones followed in the pvt industry. //not motivated to work in gov labs//-->the reson is you are safe once you get a gov job.nobody can take it from you.And secondly there is no reward for going that extra mile/putting that extra effort in gov agencies/orgns coz of uniform treatment of people and standard gov rules for promotion etc Having said that,let me add that we can not privatise,for the sake of efficiency, everything in gov hands right now for obvious reasons. Defence research and Nuclear research are of strategic importance and one can not put these areas in pvt hands who mainly look for profit and not national interests.So these areas must remain in gov hands and at the same time,my concern here is ,the gov should be able to attract the best talent to these areas,not only atract,it should retain them(the main problem is job hopping!). Our talents are inferior to none and we produce the best MBAs from IIMs and we export the best talent IITians to foreign shores.THAT MUST CHANGE! Then only India can become a super power in these areas. Recently Indian Airforce started a scheme wherein it wants to give 2 mont apprentice to IITians(summer trianing) and recruit them(if at all they join!) as IAF pilots,coz now a days eour missile systems like AGNI etc are very high tech and real techie people are needed to use them effectively. You must hav eheard of recent ISRO collaboration with NASA in its future moon mission.US is supposed to put some high tech module on India's mission to moon so that the entire mission becomes worthwhile.My point is we must be able to do all those things on our own.Nerly 10-15% of NASA scientists are NRIs. Can we rectify this situation? I would never say s/w companies or people joining s/w comapnies is bad for the country.These companies are creating employment opportunities for thousands of people and we must be happy with that. But ,the fact is that if you go to any high tech research lab of our country,you dont find a single worthwhile Civil engineer or electrical engineer or Mechanical engineer there.(All of them must have already left these orgns searching greener postures elsewhere !).We do need high caliber civil engineers to build better seismic resistant dams,mechanical engineers to design our missiles/reactors/turbines/jets,electrical engineers to design radars/motors/turbines/generators. we need computer engineers in these labs to desing all the controls and communication systems.How US is doing all this work and becoming dominant super power day by day without people working day and night in their research labs?How can India even think of ,forget abt becoming a super power,even a regional player in south asia? We are far far behind even China.(China already test fires a space shuttle!,the third country to have done that after US and Russia) Pvt sector is recently invited to do some fabrication work for ISRO space vehicle/satellite structure.Even in US they contract pvt sector peopel to get some some non strategic things done.We can also do that ,but the ultimate control must remain in gov hands for strategic reasons. If gov do not find competent engineers to work in its labs,who is the loser? Our nation as a whole.The developed countiries make ugly gestures and point a finger at us and say " you dirty poor Indians,you are worth nothing!".Whose feelings are hurt ?.We have rsourses to make internationally renowned MBAs,IITians. Why cant we channalise some resources towards creating ultramodern labs and motivated work force?The gov can create special team of people in each Department like DOS/DAE/Defence and give competent pay package comparable to the best in pvt industry.Actaully outr govt allocates crores of rupees to these departments annuaaly in our budget but always,every year some amount is not spent in the financial year.Some of these resources can be channalized toward the above purpose. People would work for gov,even more happily than they do in pvt sector,if pay packages are good.One should not leave them with better pay packages alone.Otherwise surely laziness would creep in.Accountability amd the same strict supervision which is seen in pvt sector must be introduced.Then only we can hope of making India a super power.Pvt sector can play only a marginal role in this nation building work.But it is the govt that must take a big hard step to cleanse the system of all its deficiencies.Political initiative is a must for this.Otherwise people would continue to leave govt organisations/our country in search of money. Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 5, Jun 2006 5:28:26 PM IST -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Siri, Thanx for the detailed response .. but looking at it from a different perspective .. Yes we do need researchers in the core areas, but why are people not opting for that ... is it because of lack of infrastructure? is it becuse of the professors who treat the research fellows as slaves (I myslef faced it when I as doing my PhD from the Hyderabad Central University .. thisis first hand info) Is it because of the better treatment given by the software corporates compared to the research institutes? Is it because of the better work culture at Infosys compared to DRDO/ISRO/RRI? In My humble opinion the main reason why people love software industry is that people are RESPECTED unlike other places and lemme add to it, except LRDE and CAIR Bangalore which are DRDO's research establishments, I have not come across a single research lab in India where in a majority of the employees said they were really motivated to work better whereas the recent surveys say that a majority fo the emloyees in the top software companies say they are extremely happy with their respective managements. Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 5, Jun 2006 3:28:46 PM IST Techies from premier institutes like IITs either go abroad or opt for career in software industry due to handsome pay packages offered in this industry,which are not forthcoming either in gov service or in core engg fields. Due to this "internal brain drain" of engineers to software industry,there is dearth of qualified ,high caliber engineers in our national research labs and infrastructural projects.We need them in rersearch labs to lead our country to great hights in the field of Defence,Space,and Atomic energy and Agriculture ,just to name a few.Without young talent in these fields we can never hope of producing another C.V.Raman/ Homi Baba/Vikram Sarabhai/Swaminadhan ,just a few names who made India proud and created history of sorts in their respective fields. Something needs to be done to retain the best talent in these fields so that India does not lag behind the rest of the world. These concerns are of no concern to many people,but hese are really important concerns.It is definitely not the fault of a particular S/W company to attract the best talet from across the country.(Thats the reason it was half jokingly called that way.Since in reality its effects are felt in our society) It has something to do with our policy makers. US attractes the best talent from across the globe and in its Defence/Nuclear/NASA research labs scients from all over the globe are working to make the US superpower. US attracts talent from all over the world,it produes rockets/bombers/jets/nuclear reactors and sells them back to the poor third world countries who have been fighting among them for petty reasons.While India can exporting annually IITians to US and software comapnies ,cant it do something to retain the brain power and make progress in Agriculture(very backbone of our contry)/Defence/Space/Nuclear research? It can certainly do provided our leaders try to rise above petty politics and think of our nation.

Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 13, Jun 2006 12:44:19 PM IST

Not just you,not one of your cronies ,including your so called project manager could answer the questions raised here on India's future. Little minds marvel at littile things.njoy! Have guts to take that challenge?

Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 13, Jun 2006 12:04:07 PM IST

Posted by: Andhra Ammayi At: 13, Jun 2006 3:36:40 AM IST You still cant answer a single question raised by me here. Pity you for your ignorance. You still cant write/correct annamayya keertanas. silly felow. Some cronies for flattering your little ego!njoyurself you moron!

Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 13, Jun 2006 11:59:08 AM IST

lol, ofcourse it took more than 2 minutes and that too to write in telugu. Imagine the effort :( but think about the satisfaction. ;) priceless :)))))

Posted by: మోహన రాగం At: 13, Jun 2006 3:36:40 AM IST

I'm sure posting this response would have taken you more than 2 minutes Andhra Ammai :)) U know what I mean? :))

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 13, Jun 2006 2:52:59 AM IST

No better joke heard before. public announcement aa. nee chinna medaDu chitikindani andaridee adE paristhiti anukunTE adi nee kharma kaaka inkEnTi. Better Than the Best naa Dis~plE nEm~ ani andarikee telusu. Dis~plE nEm~ meeda Mouse point chEstE adi evari profile annadi spashTam gaa telustundi. neekaa maatram caaman sen~s , minimam janaral naaleDj lEkapOvaDam nee kharma. ayinaa ninnu tiTTaTaaniki ayiDee maarchukuraavaalaa? idivaraku naa ayiDeelO naatOnE chachchETlu tiTlu tinnaav. appuDE marchipOyaavaa? lEka dulupukuni tirigEstunnaavaa? anni tiTlu tinnaa siggu raalEdanTE enta mandam... enta mandam. nee charmamlaanE nee budhdhi kooDaa mandamE. idi varaku tiTTina tiTTu gurtundaa? gajaanaam mandabudhdhihi. nee paristhiti adi. asalu nee level ki ninnu tiTTaTaaniki vErE ayiDee kaavaalaa? nee kanta seen , level vachchE padi janmalaki kooDaa raavu. ayiDee maarchaalanTE renDu nimishaalu paDutundi. and u think you are worth that much of valuable time? you better realize that you are nothing but shit. No one would ever waste their time on you. As someone earlier commented, you and your posts are so silly and stupid that they are not worth responding. That is the very big reason why I stopped responding to your dirty messages after my last post. avasaram ayitE nErchukuni ayinaa ninnu banDa bootulu tiDataanu naa ayiDeetOnE. antE kaani ayiDee maarchukuni raanu vinukO O pEDi. // who once could not write/correct Annamayya's Keertanas and so changed her name and went into oblivion // Could not write/correct? mati marupu rOgam kooDaa EDchindaa neeku? nuvvu annamayya keertanalu ani pEru cheppi naanaa bootulu raastE karecT chEsinanduku nuvvelaa riyaacT ayyaavO, daaniki ninnu padi mandi ki takkuva kaakunDaa elaa tiTTaarO appuDE marchipOyaavaa? anni tiTlu tinnaav ayinaa siggu raalEdanTE yE rEnj lO nee charmam mandamO arthamavutOndi. appuDEmO naa treDDu... evaroo kalpinchukOraadu ani oka sTETmenT. ippuDEmO rouDee gaaru EdO ninnu parmishan aDiginaTTu excuses aDagakkaralEdu ani inkO sTETmenT , paigaa andariki aarDars paas chEstunnaTTu evaroo respaanD avvaddu ani pablik anaun~smenT. asalEmanukunTunnaav ninnu nuvvu? Do you think that you are ruling this TP? nee ishTam vachchinaTTu pElutunnaav ? neelaanTi vedhavalatO endukani vErEgaa annamaachaarya keertanalaki treD Open chEstE akkaDikee tagalaDDaav nee bootulatO. karecT chEsinappuDu daanni paajiTiv gaa teesukOvaTam chEtakaanODivi nuvvasalu yE moham peTTukuni maaTlaaDostunnaavu? // went into oblivion // nuvvu guDDi vedhavvi ayitE adi nee kharma. ikkaDa andarikee telusu Me The Invincible annadi Display name maatramE ani. aalmOsT anni treDs~lO kanipinchE naa pEru neeku kanipinchakapOvaTam neeku kaLLu lEvu annadaaniki nidarSanam. idi varaku aapaa oka saari vivEkaananda meeda aarTikal raasinadi meerEnaa ani aDigitE avunu anToo goppagaa cheppukunnaavE? mari adi nee ayiDee kaadE. vErE ayiDee. anTE nuvvu Ekamgaa ayiDee yE maarchukunnaavannamaaTa. mari siggulEkunDaa Display Name change chEsukunnavaaLLani caamenT chEstunnaavE? lEdaa evarO raasina aarTikal aa profail elaagu lEdu kaabaTTi nuvvE raasaavani cheppukunnaavaa? adi kooDaa cheyyagalavEmO siggEDistE kadaa. and in some other thread when someone asked you how do you get the time to write these (stupid) posts being in US, you said that you work day time and write these articles in the nights. Nee profile koodaa cheptondi nuvvu US lo unnaavani. Now tell me, you bloody moron, why did you go to US when you are so much concerned about India? Why are you not serving your motherland and make it number 1? What the heck made you go to the alien country (in your words) and earn huge money (again your words). lEdaa amerikaalO unDaTam goppa ani alaa cheppukunnaavaa? anTE inDiyaa kannaa amerikaalO unDaTam goppa anE kadaa nee uddESam. alaanTappuDu inDiyaa goppa neekEmi lEdannappuDu inDiyaa adavvaali idavvaali ani nOru pagilETaTTu arustaavE? cheppEvi Sreeranga neetulu doorEvi dommari guDiselu anTE idi kaadu? and you stupid asshole you try to teach lessons to others? All except the bulli dog, I apologize for using unparliamentary language here but this bulli dog is worth it. Unnecessarily he used very bad words against me for which I had to hit him back in his own language. Thanks a lot M.R. for the support. :))

Posted by: మోహన రాగం At: 13, Jun 2006 2:34:27 AM IST

Alright assal sissal ! ! :P

Posted by: చంటోడు At: 12, Jun 2006 11:19:41 PM IST

Clueless jee, Unfortunately, I cannot take the credit. :( Wish I posted that. :(((((((((( It was posted by a Project Manager from Infosys. He is one of my good friends. enduku naa ayiDeetO pOsT chESaaDu annadi YM lO cheptaanu. ikkaDa cheptE ee bulli Daag ki explanation ichchinaTTu avutundi. I am with my friend for what he posted is nothing wrong. The only mistake he did was to delete my profile. But he had a reason :( Had he not done that, I wouldn't have revealed this at all. :( creDiT mottam teesukunEdaanni endukanTE anta chakkaTi tiTlu tiTTina ghanata odulukunTaanaa :p keerti gaaru, meekOsam nEnaa maatram cheyyalEnaa. tappakunDaa telugu aksharaallOki tarjumaa chEsipeDataa. asalu telangaaNaa yaasalO tiTlu adbhutamgaa unTaayi. paigaa oka rEnj lO tiTTaaDu. anta manchi enTarTainmenT meeru mis avaTam naaku ishTam lEdu. konchem Taim ivvanDi. saparETu daaram terichi maree pOsTutaanu. ;) inka ee bulli Daag ki riplai ivvaddoo paapam. kaanee ilaa maamoolugaa cheptE artham avadu kadaa aa mandamatiki. sO, aa burrales ki arthamayyE bhaashalOnE pOsTutaa. :p

Posted by: మోహన రాగం At: 12, Jun 2006 11:10:36 PM IST

Govt works out action plan to control market swing MUMBAI/NEW DELHI: Capital markets regulator Sebi and the government are close to unveiling a set of policy moves aimed at curbing volatility and enhancing liquidity in the stock markets. The proposed package includes allowing short selling by institutional investors, kicking off a revised stock lending and borrowing scheme, introducing delivery-based settlement in option contracts and higher margin calls in the futures segment.

Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 12, Jun 2006 4:16:45 PM IST

Anyway it is not worth discussing it anymore. People know the truth.

Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 12, Jun 2006 4:10:16 PM IST

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