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| nAkakkaDekkaDO kAvAlsinanta dammundi. sO nEnu doDDi dArlu anusarinchAlsina avasaram kAnI klU lu vetakAlsina avasaram kAnI lEdu.
pOtE akkaDekkaDO dammunDabaTTE oka fEkularANi mUlAna nEnu nA aiDi mArchukunnA, maLLI A aiDilO rAlE. nEnu edavallA DilIT chEsukuni maLLI vachchE ADangi sannAsedavanI tRutIyAprakRuti jAti vyaktinI kAdu.
nE cheppindi fEkutU "fEkulO" anE ADangi vedhavalagurinchi. sO nA sTETmenTlalO kAnTraDikshan lU kAnTrAsepshan lU lEvu, unnadallA kAnsepshan yE
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 12, Jan 2006 2:51:21 AM IST
/*Posted by: Gobbemma At: 11, Jan 2006 8:47:09 AM IST*/
kadA!
mari aDakkunDA istE tIsukOvachchA? adi kaTnam kAdA?
/*Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 11, Jan 2006 9:43:54 AM IST*/
vEyavayyAbAbU vEyi, nIku danDam peDatA. vEstE lIgal gA illIgal gA chUsukundAm sarEnA?nAkA dammundi mari nIkundA?
pErladEmundi lE... andarU nIlA pEruku taggaTTu unDAlA? A pEreTTukuni Ayana nI nudiTina panikimAlina rAtalu rAsinaTTu nuvvu rAyAlA, kAru kUtalu kUyAlA?
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 12, Jan 2006 1:30:26 AM IST
gobbemma gArU...
paruvu nashTam vEyAlanTE...
mundu Section.499 gurinchi telusukOvAli.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 11, Jan 2006 7:21:59 PM IST
(And yeah there is nothing personal in this - its not between Veva and Malak .. its between two perspectives towards dowry)
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 11, Jan 2006 5:32:04 PM IST
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Yes! That's the spirit to discuss about this teethless Act, to make it powerful.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 11, Jan 2006 7:20:14 PM IST
Posted by: Gobbemma At: 11, Jan 2006 5:32:26 PM IST
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This is the definition for Dowry:
2. Definition of ‘dowry’.- In this Act, 'dowry' means any property or valuable security given or agreed to be given either directly or indirectly.
(a) By one party to a marriage to the other party to the marriage, or
(b) By the parent of either party to a marriage or by any other person, , to either party to the marriage or to any other person,
At or before [(Note: Subs. by Act 43 of 1986, sec.2) or any time after the marriage] [(Note: Subs. by Act 63 of 1984, sec.2) in connection with the marriage of the said parties, but does not include] dower or mahr in the case or persons to whom the Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) applied.
(Note: Explanation I omitted by act 63 of 1984, sec.2).
Explanation II- The expression 'valuable security' has the same meaning as in section 30 of the Indian Penal Code (45 of 1860).
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 11, Jan 2006 7:10:34 PM IST
(idi kaTnam pai charcha mAtramE!.
evaru evari pai paruvu nashTam dAvAlu, patrikalalOki ekkinchaDAlu chEyanavasaramlEdu. A pedda manishi annADu kAbaTTE nEnannAnu.
idi paniki rAni charcha kAdu.
A chaTTam ardham ayyE bhAshalOnE nEnu mATlADutunnAnu.
patrikalapai paruvu nashTam vEyaDam anta sulugu kAdu.)
Malakji,
Realise the Act totally please.
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//The Act says:
Ban on advertisement .- If any person -
(a) Offers through any advertisement in any newspaper, periodical, journal or through any other media, any share in his property or of any money or both as a share in any business or other interest as consideration fore the marriage of his son or daughter or any other relatives.
(b) Prints or published or circulates any advertisement referred to in clause (a),
he shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than six months, but which may extend to five years, or with fine which may extend to fifteen thousand rupees.
Provided that the Court may, for adequate and special reasons to be recorded in the judgment, impose a sentence of imprisonment for a term of less than six months.
5. Agreement for giving or taking dowry to be void - Any agreement for the giving or taking of dowry shall be void.
bahiramgamgA nEnu tIsukunnAnanI,
nA kumArunikI tIsukunTAnani ikkaDE prakaTinchEsADu.
adI biT baiTla sAkshyamgA
(avannI ikkaDE padilamgA unnAyi)).
AyanE oppukunTE ika nirAdhAramEmiTi! AdhArAlu lEkapOvaDamEmiTi!?
ikkaDa pAta pEjIlalO ayanE bahiramgamgA cheppESADu!
avi ikkaDE unnAyi!
A mATakostE AdhArAlu lEkunDA paruvu nashTam kUDA vEyalEm.
(A paruvunashTamki nEnu doraka kunDA,
AyanE dorikE vidhamgA rAyachchukUDA!
kAni anduvalla sAdhinchEdEmI unDAdu. jaiLLani kaTnam tIsukunnA vALLatO,
ichchina vALLatO ninDipODAniki
avi saripOvu. I vishayamlO samAjamE oka jailu lAnTidi anavachchu.
nijAniki patrikalalO vadhuvukAvalEnu ani prakaTanalichchi,
pilupu rAgAnE UDipadi niSchitArdham rOjE kaTnam kAjEsE rOjuleppuDo vachchEsAyi!).
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No one is allowed to declare that he/she can taken or gave dowry. It's a secret business always. Employees of under any government must declare his assets in the name of his wife, if he took dowry.
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In your case, LOL cloths just can't be returned. U too might have gave something to other party.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 11, Jan 2006 7:06:12 PM IST
Vevaji,
Unless Batasari's wife or Parents complain about it, I dont think you can do anything about the so called dowry taken by him.
I dont think any third party can do anything even if someone openly declares that he has taken dowry.
Say, for instance even though I didnt take any dowry, my in-laws spent around 10 thousand rupees way back in 1997/98 towards my clothes and I have not returned them yet because they cant wear those clothes. If, as per your logic, it amounts to dowry then just try filing a case on me. Lets see how it goes - I am willing to face the consequences.
(And yeah there is nothing personal in this - its not between Veva and Malak .. its between two perspectives towards dowry)
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 11, Jan 2006 6:32:04 PM IST
Andhra Prabha article of VeVa boi, Yes I have read. Confusing it is, to what he means to say. No female talk in it, very interest I might add.
Corruption there is, everybody knows. Use the press to name people, Veva's job. Names of any, I did not see in article. Pointless it is, article that doesn't pin point anybody.
Posted by: Master Yo Ra At: 11, Jan 2006 4:00:15 PM IST
akkaDa unna sab - eDiTar A vyAsAnni chitra vadha chEsi..chAlA mArpulu chEyaDam valla anukunnaTTugA adi rAlEdu.
Malakji,
I read that article that you have pasted here.
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Any way, Mr.Vachaspathi has slipped his tongue.Some of the members have doubled the amount.Some members are playing on him quite for some time for reasons best known to them.
There is nothing for us to break our heads in this issue.
Posted by: Mr. B.A. Tilak , Advocate. At: 11, Jan 2006 3:43:23 PM IST
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Tilakji,
It's a keyboard mistake.
It took Rs.40000 instead of Rs.4000/-.
Some kids here raising some unnecessary voice with having minimum legal literacy that it will not come under dowry!
Pathetic!
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Posted by: Keerty At: 11, Jan 2006 3:59:04 PM IST
bariteginchina buDataDiki baDilEdu guDilEdannaTTundi tamari dhOraNi!
okappuDu ADO magO ardham kAni pEru.
prastutam sarAsari chIra kaTTukuni vachchESAru.
tamarini okasAri ikkaDa nunchi bayaTaki neTTEsinA tama jihva chApalyam pOlEdu.
tamariddari pai 'saNugudu goNuguDu' SIrshikana oka hAsyA pUrita maina kadha rAsi strI sapplamenT lO paDEyachchu!!
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 11, Jan 2006 6:02:05 PM IST
antEkaadu...asalu avi naalugu lachchalO , nalabhai vElO , naalugondalO...evaru evaraki ichchEru ? enduku ichchEru ? adi kaTnam elaa ayyindi ? adi kaTnam ani anaDaaniki saraina aadhaaraalu Emainaa unnaayaa ? unTE cheppanDi , tilak`gaarini pilipinchI...adi kaTnam lOki vastundO raadO telusukundaam. ;)
Posted by: Gobbemma At: 11, Jan 2006 4:01:06 AM IST
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It is known from the postings of Mr.Vachaspathi that neither himself nor his parents have taken or demanded dowry from his wife.Some strangers have taken some money forcibly from the purse of his wife.It does not amount to dowry.
Any way, Mr.Vachaspathi has slipped his tongue.Some of the members have doubled the amount.Some members are playing on him quite for some time for reasons best known to them.
There is nothing for us to break our heads in this issue.
Posted by: Mr. B.A. Tilak , Advocate. At: 11, Jan 2006 4:43:23 PM IST
Published on TP.com
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Articles - My Experience
Dowry !!! Multi Million International Racket in India : Misuse of Dowry law - 498a
- Ms. Gauri nivedita
As a matter of fact there is no clash of civilisations or clash of sexes. World is the same as it was before.
In rural India which forms 75% population does not have such problems. The problem has been created in urban India which forms 25% population.
This clash has been started by feminists and they are powered by National Commission for Women, who are engaged in false propaganda financed by vested Interests for ulterior motives. The victims of this false and exaggerated propaganda are mostly section of middle class joint families who are vulnerable to blackmail and extortion.
The feminists laws passed by government at the behest of National commission for Women (NCW) have brought Misery and Miss-fortune to middle class Joint families in India
and financial gains to corrupt Law enforcing machinery and dishonest Lawyers without doing anything good to actual domestic violence victims.
These laws are misused and abused by scoundrels as vehicle for blackmail,extortion,humiliation and vengeance to settle scores within the families with the connivance of corrupt law enforcers.
Because of such draconian family laws, India will shortly have same conditions like USA where the marriage rate is 50% Germany 40% and Ireland 2%. In such eventuality India will have majority population of single mothers, illegitimate children and bastards. Over 70% of children in USA are born outside of wedlock. Over 50% live-in single parent family.
This is the situation India can not afford in absence of employment opportunities and other social security reforms, which are otherwise available in these countries. Ultimately sufferers will be the women for whom these laws are introduced.
National Commission for Women (NCW) may prove a National Curse for Women(NCW)
These laws are misused by vested interests. These social laws are goldmines for law enforcers and scrupulous feminists groups & lawyers.
The marriage has become a very dangerous commodity for vulnerable middle class families. The marriage and subsequent discord between the spouses has become a more serious crime for husband, than committing rape or murder in which heinous crime at least entire family is not arrested and jailed, without proof or investigation. Joint middle class families are greatly suffering from the curses and horrors of these barbarian laws.
The social laws have never succeeded in India. On the contrary they have led to runaway corruption. These social laws are goldmines for law enforcers for making illegitimate money and the vote bank for politicians. The unholy criminal-police-judicial-political nexus begins and is sustained on the back of these social laws
It is only common people that suffers because of the climate of criminality that survives in Indian system.
Experience has shown that these gender laws have miserably failed and have no chance of success.The results also show that most prosecutions are based on false charges filed by rogue elements with the connivance of the corrupt police for blackmail and extortion. Without introducing new laws, but streamlining the existing laws,
rules and procedures honestly and controlling the runaway corruption can do wonders.
The Judiciary should start penalising lawyers, prosecutors and rogue complainants who initiate frivolous litigation. Perjury and contempt laws must be vigorously enforced.Scoundrels should not be allowed to manipulate the Justice system. The wrong doers must bear the costs of trial and the victims must be compensated.There should be rules of the game. The Judiciary should work on some fair principles.
Government’s failure to implement it’s own guidelines,rules and regulations of legislation without proper checks and balances before enforcing dowry prohibition act has already resulted into chaos and mockery of dowry prohibition act. The result is that the law is being misused and abused as vehicle for blackmail, extortion, humiliation and vengeance to settle scores with connivance of corrupt law enforcers.
During the last 5 years or so these dowry cases are multiplying with lightening speed bringing misery to several old parents and families in India and Abroad.
The sacred institution of marriage has become suspect.The prenuptial agreements which were not known in India are now freely entered into as safety measure by those who are aware of these draconian laws. Therefore these laws are to be defeated and methods are to be found.
These laws are misused for sole purpose of financial gains primarily. Victims / litigants need compensation. The courts are also awarding cash settlements in these cases or
advicing parties for out of court settlements. Therefore it will be wiser to formulate marriage breakdown fund in place of these draconian laws. This will also bring relief to already crowded court rooms in India. This will also bring positive financial & social security and empowerment to women as demanded by feminists in India.
Prenuptial and Postnatal agreements in some standard form may be devised in place of these barbarian laws.
The government may enact a new model marriage law in light of present situation of marital problems,as the present system has completely failed..
Socialism and gender laws should not include draconian and barbarian laws The social laws have never succeeded in India. The unholy criminal-police-judicial-political nexus begins and is sustained on the back of these social laws.It is only common people that suffers because of the climate of criminality that survives in Indian democratic system.
In the meantime till the system is streamlined and the rulers are made to start respect its own laws, duties, responsibilities, and constitutional obligations the cases pending under feminist’s protection laws need to be transferred to time bound special fast track courts or tribunals.Complainants should be made accountable and produce proof otherwise warned of sanctions.All things then will follow smoothly if managed efficiently and honestly.
Presently conviction rate in these cases after trial is 2% and acquittal is 98% as per statics. These results prove that most prosecutions are based on false charges filed by rogue elements.
There are hundreds of innocent NRI’s in USA alone who are suffering from blackmail, extortion and humiliation at the hands of the unscrupulous spouses for the SIN of marrying Indian girl.The old parents of NRI’s in India are jailed . NRI”S can not return without being arrested and jailed. In spite of sufficient proof of innocence. The problem is so serious that US state department has issued Advisory to US citizens of Indian Origin warning as under: A number of U.S. citizen men who have come to India to marry Indian nationals have been arrested and charged with crime related
to dowry extraction. Many of the charges stem from the U.S.citizen’s inability to provide an immigrant visa for the prospective spouse to travel immediately to the united states. The courts sometimes order the U.S.citizen to pay large sums of money to his spouse in exchange for the dismissal of charges.
The wrongdoers must bear the costs of trial and the victims must be compensated. There should be rules of the game.The Judiciary should work on some fair principles.
To eliminate frivolous litigation section 35 A of criminal procedure code ought to be strictly enforced. Perjury and contempt laws must be enforced to control registration of false cases.
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 11, Jan 2006 2:43:20 PM IST
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