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Nobody is asking Muslims to convert back to Hinduism .. anybody can practice anything in India and nothing can be forced on anyone .. people like Abdul Kalam are National Pride indeed ... they have never been the source of any problem .. because they believe in their religion and the same time they respect otehr religions too .. I was referring to those people who disrespect other religions ... bet it Togadia, Bukhari or anyone else - (as Sudheshna pointed out Bukhari has not been arrested inspite of an Arrest warrant pending against his name while Togadia has been arrested .. why that discrimination?) ... matam anTarAnitanam vyavastIkRutam chEstE... matam mAraka em chEstAru? bukhArini..togADiyAni aresT chEyAlanTE...dammalunnA nAyakulu kAvAli..! vOT bEnk rAjAkIyala venuka tOkADinchE vALLu kAdu. oka sthAyi dATitE...evarikainA adupulOki tIsukOka tappadu. wArenT unnA advAnIni kuDA aresT chEyalEdu. I dEsamlO prati kakshakI rAjakIyAlE chAlA varaku kAraNam. I never had any bad thought about the whole community. Good people are gradually getting reduced in any part of the system. chaTTa virudhamgA pravastinchina vADu E matatsuDainA...vADini sikShinchAlanTE...aDDochEdi rAjakIyAlE!... avunA? kAdA? bukhArIni lEdA...togADiyAni...aresT chEyalanTE...vALlaki rAjakIyAlalO unDi chemchA giri chEsE vALLunnAru. chaTTa sabhalalO unDi..vALLaki vattAsu paliki vALLa mATalakI...chEtalakI...jAtIya sthAyi hOdA kalpistAru I 'chemchA giri vargam'. I chemchAlandari 'kulAlu' gamaninchArA? andarU agra varNAla vArE! okarini okaru rakshinchukunTunnAru. andE ikkaDa jarugutundi. (I am not a Dalit) I chemchA rAjakIyAlaki prastutam dikkutOchaDam lEdu...I sAri edO pedda panE chEstAyi. chUstunDanDi. matAnni brasTu paTTinche prayamtnam chEsi marI tama hOdAlu kApADukunTAyi. vILLa jIvitAlu...I dESa charitralO oka chIkaTi kONam kAbOtundi.

Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 29, Aug 2005 12:00:56 PM IST

Indian Dominated area in Pakistan? You mean Mojahir majority area? And NO .. things like Godhra never happened in Pakistanbecause Hindus over there never resorted to Terrorist activities. Hindus preferred terrorism only in Sri Lanka and Indian Hindus fought the LTTE tooth and nail. The Indian army went to Sri lanka and killed LTTE cadres. Can you imagine somebody from Pakistan killing Islamic Terrorist groups in India like that? Nobody is supporting Gujarat riots here .. all I said was that While riots against minority are being highlighted the train burning does not even get a mention ...

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 29, Aug 2005 11:37:17 AM IST

gujarAt lO Christiansni kuDA....champAlsina avasaram em vachchindi!!?? ...gallI gUnDAlaki...chAlA kAlam taruvAta pani dorikindi kAbaTTE...dorikinODni dorikinaTTu champAru.

Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 29, Aug 2005 11:31:30 AM IST

In Pakistan after the Gujarat Communal Riots, even a Mosque built in Indian dominated area was demolished...That means it's just not communal...but happened in the name of Religion... Again...Pakistanies built that Mosque and a Temple demolished in that tense situations....THEY ARE O.K...WE IN INDIA ARE FOOLS!

Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 29, Aug 2005 11:25:36 AM IST

o.k...!! kAnI...godrA lAnTi sanghaTanalu...pAkistAnlO hindUlaki vyatirEkangA ekkaDainA jarigAyA?? Muslims in India are just reacting to the Hindu Politicians! led by some sections.....Both are trapped...in taking the political mileage from their respective stands. No one is interested to reform their religion...they just get power using or raising their 'Religion' as a Flag! Malakji... Mr.Modi is going to lose his job soon. As the internal fight or dissidency against him in Gujarat BJP Legislative party is raising day by day.

Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 29, Aug 2005 11:19:58 AM IST

Well Well Well ... how you got bad thought about whole community _______________________________________ Let me make one thing Clear .. I AM NOT BLAMING ANY COMMUNITY AND I WAS ONLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION REGARDING WHY THE COMMUNITY HAS GOT THE BLAME, UNFORTUNATELY. I never referred to you.. so please dont take it personally .. Everybody condemned Dara Sigh for his brutal attack on Grahan Staines and he has even been sentenced to death ( and the funniest part is that Amnesty that petitioned the Govt Not to Hang the Terrorists of kashmir maintained silence over this issue .. thats a different story .. and NOBODY WITH 1 NANOGRAM OF BRAIN WILL BELIEVE AN ORGANIZATION LIKE AMNESTY) MY point is this .. When Something happens to Hindus everybody keeps quiet and chooses to remain indifferent .. And if it happens to Muslims or Christians then everybody starts shouting ... It is this attitude that cheezes off even the Neutral people and draws them towards hating the minorities ... The obvious question an average Hindu would ask is .. "When I treat people from otehr communities as my brothers and sisters, why cant they do the same for me? Why dont they react when something happens to me? Why shoudl my love for them be one-sided?" If there questions are answered then I bet on my head there would be no religious hatred at the grassroot levels. About Modi, I said that even though he is a Hindu he has been under fire from the Hindu community for whatever happened in Gujarat. Even the people of Gujarat showered sympathy on him because people Like Sonia Gandhi were quick to condemn Gujarat riots but never bothered about Godhra .. if people now Praise Modi thats because of a different reason .. the Development he brought to Gujarat , but nobody barring VHP supported him on the communal issues .. and no one needs to support him ..if hez proved guilty he will be punished ... But my question is .. will the same thing happen to the perpetrators of Godhra violence? Already there has been an attempt by laloo yadav to sidetrack the issue using Banerjee committee and trying absolve the Muslim Gang present outside the train .. And if you happen to see the discusion forums .. the Muslim chatters ask for proof of Muslim involvement in Godhra and when it comes to Hindus they dont wait for proff before levelling their allegations .. and by the way even Vajpayee agreed that Gujarat riots were one of the reasons why BJP lost the general election About Pandits .. Exactly ... the killings are happening on both sides but how much of importance is being given to pandits vis a vis muslims? Forget Guyana .. even in an advanced country like Denmark, I have seen Indians and Pakistanis living under friendly enviroment until recently .. And yeah NOBODY WANTS TO QUARREL .. BUT FRIENDSHIP CANT BE ONE-SIDED .. IF OEN COMMUNITY EXTENDS THE HANDS OF FRIENDSHIP AND THE OTHER COMMUNITY DOESNT ACCEPT IT .. it doesnt make much sense .. Nobody is asking Muslims to convert back to Hinduism .. anybody can practice anything in India and nothing can be forced on anyone .. people like Abdul Kalam are National Pride indeed ... they have never been the source of any problem .. because they believe in their religion and the same time they respect otehr religions too .. I was referring to those people who disrespect other religions ... bet it Togadia, Bukhari or anyone else - (as Sudheshna pointed out Bukhari has not been arrested inspite of an Arrest warrant pending against his name while Togadia has been arrested .. why that discrimination?)

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 28, Aug 2005 10:10:55 PM IST

Secunderabad is a Hindu Dominated area ... I am referring to Mecca Masjid Area / Chandrayana Gutta locality .. this question remains too .. _____________________________________________ Good to see Ur questions again with same soul with different face (‘in question’) yes I can do my best but one thing u remember, I am not a representative of any evil thoughts or organisation. From bottom of heart I am completely upset and anger against any type of killing. I born and brought up in Hyderabad old city chatrinaka I spend 24 yrs there at that time I share my iftar with my fellow Hindus and other community people .I too contributed in ganesh festival donations voluntarily, then how you got bad thought about whole community I am wonder, but one thing I discuss with u, any issue is two side coin some yellow journalism spoils whole society .but we educate and intelligent people can catch only cheese side of toast. Now a days rare to find muckraker in this society (I am not saying ‘none’) --------------------------------------------- I was asking about the case where Hindus were killed by Muslim Gangs in Pakistan and Bangaldesh .. not govt raising some issue .. I am talkign about specific ISLAMIC groups of India ... How many Muslims in India reacted to those killings? Very minusucle, if at all somebody did .. Isnt that Maintaining DOUBLE STANDARDS? How can u say the community was not condemn the attacks, Can I ask u how many condemn the darasingh attack on graham (Christian missionary)? One thing we can understand from these things is because of condemn nothing will be stopped Rajiv death condemn by Tamil people, indira Gandhi death condemned by Sikh people, Gandhi killing condemned by RSS, did we learn anything from these issues? Because of condemn nothing will happened only solution kill the evil on non community lines. For the above question my opinion base solution is the India govt should made an international issue and ask the UN to protect the community people who are in religion (they constituted) based countries. --------------------------------------------- It is definitely not 80:20 ... WHILE MAJORITY HINDU ORGANIZATIONS, (BARRING VHP) CRITICIZED MODI FOR HIS ROLE IN THE RIOTS, NOT SO MANY MUSLIM ORGANIZATIONS EVEN BOTHERED TO CONDEMN GODHRA .. WHY? Does u think 90% Hindus condemned this same as Muslim also...? In condemn point of view my answer same as above question. Regarding modi This is 'Out of the question' to me but I say this is 'federal question'. My answer will be politically in correct in this... I am not advani to support him without second thought I am not ready to praise or support him same as most of Indian and non Indian (non community base) feeling also. Every time some people saying modi...Modi what they r expecting from us Unn ka nam kavvali Ghana or nahitho, Cheddar cheddana in fateh alikhan dargha mey on his name... I am sorry I can’t prise or support him. --------------------------------------------- It is the Americans who did that, not the Kashmiri Pandits right? So why a re Kashmiri Pandits being killed in the name of Jihad? yes I agree both the pundits and Muslims also suffered a lot in this issue, when I saw an article in international Amnesty magazine they written thousands of people r killing from both sides of army and extremists, why don’t Indian govt found permanent solution to this most of Muslim and pundits communities people taken asylum in America and Britain, Europe etc… Why the different opinion about on this in Indian political parties, why international organisations acting smart in this, we need to learn and act fast in this. --------------------------------------------- By seeing above question and answers it looks like Plato and Socrates dialogues (hehehe) With this discussion we can’t get any thing from this … The bottom line is we can’t achieve any thing with hate and quarrel … Because of Pakistan or Bangladesh (community constituted states) attitude we can’t quick ABJ Kalam, Azim Premji, shahrukh khan, MA Azharuddin, zakir hussain etc from our soil as well as we can’t force A.R.Rehaman to convert back in to Hinduism ,we can’t force gowari and Sara Abdullah, (daughter of former Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister, Dr Farooq Abdullah). Come out of from sharukhan, sachin pilot, can we?? Because we r all living under the roof of secular democratic country... We learned a lot from 58 years independence, if we transform that hate of 58 yrs in to love we’ll be in top 5 countries on globe with comfortable economy. Can’t we…? We should learn lessons from democratic developed countries not fundamental Underdeveloped states. We can’t go forward by drawing lines and hate of communities positive thought enough to grow this is my personnel opinion. Before ending this I would like to share my 2 experiences with u all When I am on my business trip to Guyana (s-American country) I surprised a lot .it is also a British colony once upon, they slowly growing up, their main languages r Hindi, Urdu, English their president is an Indian ethnic origin they love all communities they equally respect each other, if u get a chance visit my friend.we'll get a chance of learning so many things from them … When I am in my holiday trip to Sicily (Italian island) the cab driver ask me two questions Cabbie: - Are you an Indian Me:- yes Cabbie: - why you (India) and Pakistan fighting for small waste land since 50 yrs? This question provokes (enrage) me to billions of questions... Please think every one

Posted by: Mr. The Fountainhead (A.K.A Fake ID) At: 28, Aug 2005 1:53:13 PM IST

Take your time Vevaji, I would definitely like to see them. I have seen all the major news papers on the day following Godhra incident and unless I missed something I didnt find any strong reaction from Secularists or Muslim Organizations and I didnt know where these Shabana Azmis, Javed Akhtars, Dilip Kumars and Sunil Dutts were.

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 28, Aug 2005 12:26:42 PM IST

Malakji, You quited Cyber Psychos! Who r not worthy to speak out side these bits or bytes. A pAta pEparlu ikkaDa nEnu kOT chEyalanTE...samayam paDutundi. Even Muslim Clerics condemned the violence. Since we are in India we receive the partial coverage.

Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 28, Aug 2005 10:15:03 AM IST

Small Correction: Kafir means idol worshippers.

Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 28, Aug 2005 10:11:07 AM IST

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