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| nijavE@m svapnA nuvvu cheppindi. nuvvu nee TelIpatI Sakti dvArA vinnAvu kadU, A musalAyana rauDIlatO mundu rOju mATTADDam ! hammO, nIkenni SaktulunnAyO! I pavitra bAraddESa pOlIsulu chEyalEni pani nuvvokkattivE chESAvE! marendukAlISam ! lageTTukeLLi rAshTrapatini kalsi nI Sakti chUpinchi I musalAyanni, I dESamlO unna kAshAyAmbarulanI bokkalO neTTEyinchu. adi chAladEmO, andarnI nariki pOguleTTinchu. nIkunna apAra praNgNjApATavAlatO, pariNgNjAnamtO naipuNyamtO okka mukkalO tElchESAvE, Ayana nErasthuDani. bhale bhale. ninu kIrtincha vEyi gontukalu kAvAli, nAkEmO tokkalOdi okaTE EDchindi. pch Emi chEstAm !
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 17, Nov 2004 9:33:15 AM IST
Posted by: Ms. swapna CCCP At: 16, Nov 2004 10:12:36 PM IST
why you are interested in the name? you can guess too. However my point is that they can preach but they have to avoid forceful means. They can tell that interested people can go. I bet nobody will go. That is why they drive people like driving sheep into the preaching hall.
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 17, Nov 2004 9:04:18 AM IST
Hayagreeva,
/*Many interesting and unknown facts are learned by me here. I have studied in christan mission school in visakhapatnam and the christian teachers used to drive us into the hall to preach christianity like sheep. Of course I still remain as a staunch Hindu.
*/
btw which christian missionary school did you go to? I studied in a christian missionary school too. They did somethings more than just preaching christianity like a sheep. They used to give us some card and collect money for mother theresa fund, every friday, we had some mary mata prayers and everyone should bring them money inspite of the huge fees we used to pay to the school. special gaa mary mata prayer dabbulu kosame chesevallu ani na agatt nammakam. west lo ekkada I havent seen friday mary mata prayers.
All fundamentalists are the same Hindu or Muslim or christian
SDB,
This about the murder commited or not by Jayendra saraswathi.
what have missionaries and CPIM not encouraging dalits have nothing to do with jayendra's murdering.
They should be criticized. That doesnt make Jayendra a less criminal.
He conveniently killed and pushed aside the person who questioned his ways of life as a hindu and the person also said he will go to court against Jayendra.
Circumstantial evidence tells Jayendra is involved in killing. (He might not kill directly).
HE spoke to a few rowdies the day before the murder.
Those are good enough reasons for be to believe he killed. You are entitled to your belief that he did not kill. I have seen enough many fake swamis to believe that he is innocent.
Posted by: Ms. swapna CCCP At: 16, Nov 2004 9:12:36 PM IST
Malak, Thanks! You have a sweet heart to listen to my sweet voice ;) Those guys & my music guru couldn't "listen with their hearts" to my voice :(
And yes, so many unknown facts. Great research Malak!
antelendi, noru paresukune vaalla asalu rangu ilane bayatapadutundi. lekunte, Sankara Math vaalla prajopayoga kaaryakalaapaalu kooda teleeni arbhakulu ilaa vaagitene vaalla agnaanam bayatapadutundi.
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 16, Nov 2004 5:55:50 PM IST
Many interesting and unknown facts are learned by me here. I have studied in christan mission school in visakhapatnam and the christian teachers used to drive us into the hall to preach christianity like sheep. Of course I still remain as a staunch Hindu.
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 16, Nov 2004 5:34:18 PM IST
loloz batasari@music .. byut I must tell ya you've got a sweet voice
newayz do u think u need to keep someonez mouth shut? Matladitene kada swami asalu rangu/vishayam bayata padedi? :))
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Nov 2004 5:09:16 PM IST
/*Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Nov 2004 5:49:31 PM IST*/
hahahahaha hehehehehehe. Questions with no answers!
Yes Malak, as I already said, we have to keep these mouths shut. They know the answers, yet want to pose as if they don't. Remember what you said to me when we met? Some one wants to grab the attention of others... nEnu sangItam nErchukODAnikeLLinappuDu, mA guruvu gAru "nAyanA, nuvvu manasulO anukO chAlu, paiki pADanakkarlEdu" annAru. kAraNam ? mana gArthabha svaram valla migilinavArandarU nAkEsE chUsEvAru. habbO bOleDu garvangA fIlayyEvADini, andarU nannE chUstunnArani. hihihi idI antE!
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 16, Nov 2004 5:02:24 PM IST
Well batasari and SDB, I know that they do know the answers, I'm just speaking my mind here thats all
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Nov 2004 4:50:37 PM IST
TALKING ABOUT DALITS ..
HOW MANY ANGLO INDIAN CHRISTIANS MARRY THE SO CALLED "DALIT CHRISTIANS?"
HOW MANY LUCKNOWI MUSLIMS MARRY THE RECENTLY CONVERTED MUSLIM
IF THERE IS NO CASTE SYSTEM IN OTHER RELIGIONS THEN WHY ARE "DALIT CHRISTIANS" AND "DALIT MUSLIMS" ASKING FOR RESERVATIONS?
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Nov 2004 4:49:31 PM IST
One More
Mother Teresa's Hidden Mission in India:
Conversion to Christianity
by Dhiru Shah
[ Editor's intro: Dhiru Shah is an
Atlanta-based writer.]
We must praise and respect any person involved in selfless humanitarian work
irrespective of his or her religious belief. But as soon as that work is done
with ulterior motive, it no longer remains a saintly deed. Mother
Teresa's work falls into the second category. Unfortunately, glowing tributes
were paid to her by the pseudo-secularist leaders of India, Indian newspapers,
and several Westernized Indians, without examining her mission in India.
Mother Teresa was wedded to the Catholic Church, particularly the Vatican
establishment, whose main mission is to convert people in developing countries
into Christianity by any means, now that Europeans are abandoning church
membership and Christianity in increasing numbers. (But for imported
Indian priests and nuns many European churches would have to close doors
because Europeans seminaries are unable to fill their vacancies with Europeans.)
In the early days of Christianity, those who refused to believe in Jesus were
first branded as heretics and witches and then killed or burnt at the stake.
In the name of the holy wars, military missions were sent which resulted
in millions of people being massacred in South America. To perpetuate
the forces of imperialism in Asia and Africa, the Western powers fit like
a hand in glove with the
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Gandhi: "If I had the power and could
legislate, I should certainly stop all
proselytising." (Collected Works,
Vol 61, page 46-47)
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Christian Church and used their military might to convert the natives into
Chrisitanity. Following the dictum 'the end justifies the means,' the Christian
Church had to devise new means to convert Asians and Africans into Christianity
after the demise of the Western Imperialism. Along with this came
a breed of Christian evangelists guided and financed by the Vatican and the
Western powers to carry on the crusade by using the label of"poverty and
desease" as their weapons. That is exactly what Mother Teresa was doing
in India.
Mother Teresa portrayed India as a poor, starving, and a diseased land to her
Western donors who responded by filling her coffers so that she could continue
her mission of converting the poor and illiterate of India. She effectively used
the converted Indian nuns for this purpose and thereby achieved her major
mission of the Church. Mother Teresa, the founder of the "Missionaries
of Charity"was "a crafty user of public relations" as pointed out by
Christopher Hitchens in his recent book, The Missionary
Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice.
The Western media played a big role in projecting her as a saint and savior of
the poor. This powerful media at the same time told the world that Indians,
particularly the Hindus, don't care for their helpless people and hence a foreign
Christian saint has to perform that job.
The Christian Church and the Western media succeeded in convincing many
of the Indian leaders and the westernized Indians that Mother Teresa was a
great saint and therefore should be given a state funeral, an honor reserved
only for great leaders of India. She was equated by one of the Indian leaders
with Mahatma Gandhi. In doing so, then Indian Prime Minister, Mr. Gujaral,
and leaders of other political parties excepting the BJP confirmed to the world
that the Indians are incapable of taking care of their own poor and sick people.
Indian leaders like Gujaral have insulted Gandhi by equating Mother Teresa
with him.
Gandhi was extremely articulate in opposing the conversion activities of
Christian missionaries in India and questioned their motives in establishing
educational institutions and other services in India. The following are cited
from Arun Shourie's 302-page book, Missionaries in India
New Delhi, ASA Publications, 1994):
"There was a deeper problem with these services, and Gandhiji
drew attention to it again and again. The services were incidental.
They were the means. The objective was to convert the natives
to Christianity. "The Collected Works of Gandhi" contain
several accounts as do Mahadev Desai's "Diaries" in which
missionaries acknowledged to Gandhiji that the institutions
and services are incidental, that the aim is to gather a fuller
harvest of converts for the Church.
"To gain acces to non-Christian households, counsels the
'Catholic Dharma ka Pracharak,' [How to Preach the
Catholic Religion] the preacher should know something of
medicine. He will then be sought after whenever there
is some illness in the house. Once there, he should try
to prevail upon the parents that he should be allowed to
baptize the child as the baptism would aid the child's recovery.
If they do not agree, says the guide: 'If it is clear to you that
the father is not going to agree to the child being
baptised, and, as far as you can see, the child is close to death,
then, on the pretext of administering some medicine, sprinkle
water on his head in some secret way and pronounce the words
of baptism. O, preacher, should the child die, you would have
opened the gates of heaven for this child. Is this not a good deed?
Now, if every preacher were to devote himself to his work,
then how many children would they send to heaven in a
year?' " (Shourie, page 7-8)
Shourie goes on to question the motives of Mother Teresa.
Just how strongly Gandhi felt about Christian missionaries in India can
be gauged from his recorded comments:
1. Gandhi's writing: "The cultured Hindu society has admitted its
grievous sin against the untouchables. But the effect of
Christianity upon India in general...has been disastrous." (Shourie, p.6)
2. Gandhi to Krezenski, a visiting professor of Philosophy from Poland, who
had told him that Catholicism was the only true religion : "The idea of
conversion, I assure you is the deadliest poison that ever sapped
the fountain of truth." (Shourie, p.11)
3. Gandhi to a visiting missionary nurse: "The other day a missionary
descended on a famine area with money in his pocket, distributed
it among the famine-stricken, converted them to his fold, took charge of their
temple and demolished it. This is outrageous. This friend goes and gets it
demolished at the hands of the very men who only a little while ago believed
that God was there." (Shourie, p. 17)
4. Gandhiji: "If I had the power and could legislate, I should certainly
stop all proselytising." (Collected Works, Vol 61, page 46-47; Shourie, p. 38).
5. Several missionaries tried to convert Gandhi. When they failed,
one of the reverend gentlemen, writes Mahadev Desai, "retired with the
imprecation...'Mr. Gandhi, soon there will come a day when you will be
judged, not in your righteousness, but in the righteousness of Jesus.' "
(Collected Works, Vol 60, p.323; Shourie, p. 240)
Gandhi worked for the poor and the diseased without any selfish motive.
He was a great philosopher, teacher, intellectual, and above all a great
world leader. None of this can be said of Mother Teresa. Her helping
of poor and downtrodden was only a facade behind which she carried
our her real assigned mission of converting the miserable lot. Hitchens
calls her as a "Christian Fundamentalist" who described the suffering
of the poor as a gift from God. She called abortion as the single greatest
threat to the world peace in her Nobel Prize speech. She was against
attempts to resist injustice and inequality and though she called herself
as "non-political," she expressed sympathy for conservative Catholic
forces in Latin America and Southern Europe.
Was Mother Teresa truly a holy, selfless person and completely dedicated
to the service of the poor and the wretched as she has been projected by her
mission and the world press? No, says Hitchens. She befriended
the rich and powerful and was a defender of Western big business.
Though she proclaimed her devotion to the poor and downtordden,
she urged the Indians to forgive Union Carbide for the gas leak in Bhopal
which had killed more than 2000 people. She visited Haiti in 1981 to accept
that nation's highest award from the Duvalier family and made a glowing
speech in which she said that the dictator 'Baby Doc' and his wife, Michele,
not only loved the poor but were also loved by the poor!
Hitchens further reveals that Mother Teresa went to Albania in 1990, at
that time the most oppressive of the Balkan Stalinist states, and laid a wreath
on the grave of the dictator, Enver Hoxha, and embraced Hoxha's widow
while remaining silent on human rights. In 1992, Mother Teresa gave
many lucrative endorsements, including a character reference to the court
for Charles Keating, the biggest fraud and embezzler in the American history
who stole a total $252 million from mainly small and poor depositors.
Hitchens claims that Keating gave $1.25 million in cash to Mother Teresa
and allowed her to use his private jet. The court had asked her to return the
donation given by Keating but she never replied to the request.
Hitchens describes how Mother Teresa urged the faithful in the
Republic of Ireland to vote against the referendum on the divorce
issue but when asked in an interview in "The Ladies Home
Journal" about Princess Diana's impending divorce, she said,
"It is good thing that it is over. Nobody was happy anyhow."
Thus she preached morality and obedience to the poor but
forgiveness and indulgence for the princesses.
Hitchens doubts her celebrated concern for the poor and
the weak. Hitchens cites testimony from the leading American
and British physicians about the extremely low standard of
medicine practiced in her small Calcutta clinics. There are no
pain killers and the syringes are washed in cold water.
He goes on to claim that no public accounts are made available
for her Missionaries of Charity, but enormous sums are known
to have been raised.
Mother Teresa had spoken with pride of having opened more
than 500 convents in 125 countries, "not counting India."
It is obvious that the money donated by well-wishers
(or guilty-conscience Westerners?) for the relief of poor was
being used for the purpose of religious proselytising by the
"Missionary Multinational."
India still remains poor after 50 years of independence.This does not speak
highly of the Congress party. The only objective of Congress politicians has
been to remain in power. Most Congress leaders have been naive and shallow
who have never bothered to read and analyze the Christian and Islamic histories
and understand their present and future strategies of conversion of poor and
helpless people of India.
India has already been divided into three countries thanks to the
pseudo-secularism of Nehru and his dynasty. The Congress under Sonia
Gandhi and their leftist supporters want the government to follow the same
policies which will eventually divide India further. The current problems
in Kashmir, Nagland, and Assam are the results of the failure on the part
of the Indian leaders to recognize the threat of the Christian and Islamic
conversion factor. In any country, such leaders would have been branded
as traitors for selling their country to foreigners.
Unfortunately, many westernized Indians in India and abroad have shown the
same ignorance, indifference, and insensitivity on the above subject as their
leaders. Their minds are so Anglo-Americanized that they read and believe
only in the Western media which always wants to propogate the
Western religion, culture, and history in the developing world. Most of the
leading Indian newspapers and magazines have also followed this trend. They
have joined hands since independence with the Indian politicians in
criticizing the Hindus and ignoring the real danger of the Christian and
Islamic conversion jihad which is being carried out currently in India,
supported and financed by the Vatican Establishment, Western powers, and
Islamic countries. Million of dollars are pouring into India every day from
these sources to convert and subvert India.
By glorifying Mother Teresa, the world has been made to belive that there are
no other persons in India, excepting her who are engaged in caring for the
poor and helpless folks. This is a lie perpetuated by the Christian church and
the Western media slavishly supported by some section of the Indian press and
the dishonest politicians.
There are many Indians involved in similar noble humanitarian works like
Mother Teresa but without her ulterior motives. Pandurang Shashtri Athavale
had dedicated himself in selfless 'Lok Seva' for many years. He and his
followers have made a tremendous impact on the lives of poor and helpless
fishermen on the West Coast of India. Until he won the Templeton Award,
he was not recognized by the Anglo-Americanized Indians or the Indian
government.
Acharya Shri Chandananji, a Jain nun, has been carrying on a crusade of
uplifting the illiterate and poor section of the society in Bihar since 1973. She
founded an institution called "Veeraytan" at Rajgir, Bihar with the clear
objective of 'providing unflinching service in the field of community health,
education, and employment' which has created a total social transformation of
that locality. It teaches 'the practicality of religion to the modern
scientific world, a religion totally honest to mankind and entirely free from
the sectarian prejudices.' The institution has set up a hundered bed
charitable eye hospital along with other medical facilities which is basically
manged by the nuns supported by a medical team of surgeons, doctors, nurses,
and medical students. Veerayatan is also involved in uplifting the lives of
thousands of deprived local children by providing free meals and education. It
also provides training facilities in vocational courses like carpentry,
pottery, and medical staff attendents. Acharya Shri Chandanaji has been able
to prove in spite of several problems and challenges that it is possible to
serve the poor and needy without any sectarian bias.
The list of such dedicated humanitarians is inexhaustible. In every nook and
corner of India one can find such workers who devote their lives to the caring
and service of the poor and weak sections of the society. Some of them are so
humble that they don't want their names to be brought into limelight.
Unfortunately, westernized Indians have the tendency to recognize our great
people only when there is a stamp of approval of the Western world.
We did not give the state funerals to such great humanitarians like Vinoba Bhave
or Jayprakash Narain, but our leaders thought it fit to give that rare honor to
Mother Teresa in order to please the Western powers, the Vatican, and the
minority at home.
Instead of creating a true secular state where all citizens are governed by
the same laws and wherein all people irrespective of their faith are treated
equally, our selfserving politicians in India have not only enacted separate
laws for minorities but also have given special preferential treatment to
them, solely for the purpose of getting their votes. Any person from the
majority community objecting to this type of pseudo-secularism is branded as a
"Hindu Chauvinist" or "Hindu Funadamentalist."
It is unfortunate that neither the Indian leaders nor the educated people from
the majority community have learnt any lessons from the last 800 years of
India's bloody slavery. Today India is being subverted from within as well as
abroad by the Christian and Islamic forces who are bent on disintegrating
India with the active help of some greedy and selfish politicians and the
indifferent majority. Those who do not heed the truth of history must perish.
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Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Nov 2004 4:46:45 PM IST
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