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General Forum: Current 'Affairs' | | Kanchi Shankaracharya VS Mohammed Naseeruddin | |
| Malak,
Do you think that these guys don't know the answers for all these questions? They do know. But they want pose as if they are secularists. We should make those mouths shut. Hope these guys remember the word SLIME.
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 16, Nov 2004 4:41:47 PM IST
Talking about Teresa
Herez something interesting
WHY MOTHER TERESA SHOULD NOT BE A SAINT
Jan 2 2003
By Christopher Hitchens
In the good old/bad old days, the procedure for making a former human being into a saint was well understood.
There had to be an interval of at least seven years after the death before beatification - the first stage in the process - could even be proposed. (This was to insure against any gusts of popular enthusiasm for a local figure who might later prove to be a phoney.)
There had to be proof of two miracles, attributable to the intercession of the deceased.
And there had to be a hearing, at which the advocatus Diaboli, or Devil's Advocate, would be appointed by the Church to make the strongest possible case against the nominee.
I am not a Roman Catholic and the saint-making procedures of the Vatican are really none of my business. But it strikes me as odd that none of the above rules have been followed in the case of the newly-beatified woman who called herself "Mother" Teresa of Calcutta.
She was first put forward for beatification only four years after her death. Only one miracle has been required of her, and duly found to have been performed.
And, instead of appointing a Devil's Advocate, the Vatican invited me to be a witness for the Evil One, and expected me to do the job pro bono.
Their reason for asking was that I made a documentary called Hell's Angel, and wrote a short book entitled The Missionary Position, in which I reviewed Mother Teresa's career as if she had been an ordinary person.
I discovered that she had taken money from rich dictators like the Duvalier gang in Haiti, had been a friend of poverty rather than a friend of the poor, had never given any account of the huge sums of money donated to her, had railed against birth-control in the most overpopulated city on the planet and had been the spokeswoman for the most extreme dogmas of religious fundamentalism.
Actually, it's boasting to say that I "discovered" any of this. It was all there in plain sight for anyone to notice. But in the age of celebrity, nobody had troubled to ask if such a global reputation was truly earned or was simply the result of brilliant public relations.
"Wait a minute," said a TV host in Washington a few nights ago, when I debated all this with Mr John Donahue of the Catholic Defence League. "She built hospitals." No, sir, you wait a minute.
Mother Teresa was given, to our certain knowledge, many tens of millions of pounds. But she never built any hospitals. She claimed to have built almost 150 convents, for nuns joining her own order, in several countries. Was this where ordinary donors thought their money was going?
Furthermore, she received some of this money from the Duvaliers, and from Mr Charles Keating of the notorious Lincoln Savings and Loan of California, and both these sources had acquired the money by - how shall I put it? - borrowing money from the poor and failing to give it back.
How could this possibly be true? Doesn't everyone know that she spent her time kissing the sores of lepers and healing the sick? Ah, but what everyone knows isn't always true. You were more likely to run into Mother Teresa being photographed with Nancy Reagan, or posing with Princess Diana, or in the first-class cabin of Air India (where she had a permanent reservation).
You could see her in Ireland, campaigning against a law which would permit civil divorce and remarriage (though she publicly defended Princess Diana's right to be divorced).
You could encounter her on the podium in Stockholm, accepting yet another huge cheque and telling the Nobel audience that the greatest threat to world peace was... abortion. (Since she added that contraception was morally as bad as abortion, she essentially held the view that condoms and coils were a deadly threat to world peace. The Church does not insist on that degree of fundamentalism.)
And when she got sick, she would check herself into the Mayo Clinic or some other temple of American medicine. As one who has visited her primitive "hospice" for the dying in Calcutta, I should call that a wise decision. Nobody would go there except to check out, in one way or another.
"Give a man a reputation as an early riser," said Mark Twain "and that man can sleep till noon." Give a woman a reputation for holiness and compassion and apparently nothing she does can cause her to lose it.
Of Albanian descent and a keen nationalist, she visited the country when it was still a brutal dictatorship and "the world's first atheist state" to pay tribute to its grim Stalinist leader.
She fawned upon her shrewd protector Indira Gandhi at a time when the Indian government was imposing forced sterilisations. Above all, she urged the poor to think of their sufferings as a gift from God.
And she opposed the only thing that has ever been known to cure poverty - the empowerment of women in poor countries by giving them some say in their own reproduction.
Now, so they tell us, a woman in Bengal has recovered from a tumour after praying to Mother Teresa. I have received information from both the family and the physicians that says it was good medical treatment that did the job. Who knows?
I must say that I don't believe in miracles but if they do exist there are deserving cases which don't, in spite of fervent prayers, ever benefit from them.
When Mr Donahue was asked if he believed the statutory second miracle would occur, he said that he thought it would. I said that I thought so, too.
But I have already seen a collective hallucination occur as regards Mother Teresa, though it was produced by the less supernatural methods of modern, uncritical mass media.
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Nov 2004 4:38:30 PM IST
and by the way talking about social service .. just to quote a few things
Who first reached the quake hit Latur in the 90s even before the army reached?
Not any Chirstian Missionary ( Cuz they didnt find any case for conversion)
Who reached Konaseema first during the famous cyclone nearly a decade ago?
None of the Minority groups
Who served the Indian Army with logistic support during the wars (And subsequently participated even in the republic day parade)
Definitely Not Mother Teresa
What was the first group the reached the Plague hit Surat city?
Can u remember any of the minority groups?
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Nov 2004 4:32:27 PM IST
Why is it that the RSS/ Mutt who existed all these hundreds of years never bothered to do what Mother Teresa did?
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Because they are not messengers of the POPE like Teresa who was sent to India from Italy with the funding fron Church and with the basic intention of conversion - if Mother teresa was really interested in serving the Downtrodden, why was she bothered about with one section of the society that was vulnerable to conversion?
What Christian Missionaries are doing is not Social service its just business like Coke or Pepsi. Give them food - get them to Christianity .. nobody would have any objections for this activity but
calling it SOCIAL SERVICE is atrocious and morbid!
... and yeah about Hindu organizations dedicating normal life - as far as I know and remember there is a system called Pracharak - comprises of persons who actually give up everything for the sake of social service as long as they are in that post
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 16, Nov 2004 4:25:48 PM IST
Who the F r u to beleive that he is a murderer? You are nothing but a piece of **** for us. I've seen enough of ur postings against him.
Malak, u r rt. Got a key board which is hooked to net can let you post any thing what you want.
It is these hindus who keep saying about castes are responsible for the state of Hinduism. We should be unite, irrespective of our caste.
And the this another Sapna. Do you know any thing about Sankar Netralaya in Chennai, a very famous eye clinic? Do you know the facilities they provide to poor people? Do you know the treatment they give to poor? Do you know that they show no difference between a poor and a rich patient, except while billing? They charge good amount of money from rich and treat free for poor? If you don't know, just listen. I'm telling you the fact. I've been there several times. And have seen the way they treat patients. Alright. Does any muslim organization does such things? Do you hear any christian organization does such things without talking about conversion? Come on baby. Open your eyes. We used to go to those medical camps just for bird watching and every time we go there, we used to face a preaching of christianity and ask us to get converted.
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 16, Nov 2004 10:48:08 AM IST
Agreed the christians also use the opportunity to convert. What is preventing the Mutt from going there and offering medical/education services. Why don't the proponents of RSS/Mutt sacrifice their normal life to do social sevrice among the tribals?
Instead of shouting about conversions, why don't all Hindu religious leaders marry Dalits or make their children marry dalits and set great examples of eradicating casteism?
The christians may be having malicious intentions to convert. But look at it from the other side. Does religion have any meaning to a person who eats once a week? To a person who eats out of garbage bins every day? Isn't it better to be alive (even as a christian) rather than die of disease as a hindu?
Posted by: Ms. sapna endurthi At: 16, Nov 2004 10:08:46 AM IST
Why is it that the RSS/ Mutt who existed all these hundreds of years never bothered to do what Mother Teresa did?
Where are the charity hospitals run by the Mutt in Hyderabad? or rest of AP.
Agreed the christians also use the opportunity to convert. What is preventing the Mutt from going there and offering medical/education services. Why don't the proponents of RSS/Mutt sacrifice their normal life to do social sevrice among the tribals?
Instead of shouting about conversions, why don't all Hindu religious leaders marry Dalits or make their children marry dalits and set great examples of eradicating casteism?
Posted by: Ms. sapna endurthi At: 16, Nov 2004 10:02:21 AM IST
" agree with Hot Handle on this - RSS and Sankar Mutt run many institutions without the intentions of any conversions"
Simple. We cannot convert muslims and christians to hinduism, because what caste will they be put into?
C'mon somebody answer me.
Why is it that there are no dalit people involved in the running of the mutt. Why do these mutts have a separate eating place for Brahmins and non-brahmins?
Posted by: Ms. sapna endurthi At: 16, Nov 2004 9:05:42 AM IST
I agree with Hot Handle on this - RSS and Sankar Mutt run many institutions without the intentions of any conversions
This arrest would dfinitley raise interesting questions -
Would the Police act the same way with the
priests at Churches and Mosques?
Why did center say it had no role inthe arrest when YSR mentioned that he contacted center before allowing TN police to arrest Sankaracharya?
Suppose, Sankaracharya is found NOT GUILTY would all these people hurling abuses at him, tender unconditional apoligies?
(I'm sure they would never do it though .. a login id and keyboard in the hand would allow anyone to type anythign agaisnt any person)
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Regarding the protest, well Hothandle, since Sankaracharya is a public figure let him prove himself not guilty .. its no big deeal for him
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 15, Nov 2004 9:40:02 PM IST
It is sad that he is under custody. if he is guilty he should be punished. Whether he is guilty or not will be known soon. That he has gone beyond religion in his life is a foregone conclusion. When he quit the mutt in anger he ceased to be a religious man. he is a normal human like any of us --- greedy, selfish, lusting for power and authority etc etc.
have any of you seen the way he sits on his throne....there is so much need for authority in the way he sits.
unlike the christians who devote themselves to the poor and downtrodden the hindu religious heads devote themselves to the rich and mighty. the christians go deep into the tribal hamlets and set up medical and education facilities. does the RRS do it? does the VHP do it? does the Sankara Mutt do it?
I am a hindu but do not believe in the Sankaracharya or any of the so called self proclaimed religious gurus. The very fact that among these heads there are basic differences (Vishnu vs Shiva) itself should be an eye opener to us people, that they are just power mongerers.
I am willing to believe (until proven innocent) that he is guilty. Many of these people lust for money and power. They will go to any length to retain them. This is the way of Human beings.
Posted by: Ms. sapna endurthi At: 15, Nov 2004 10:18:40 AM IST
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