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| Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 22, May 2006 12:35:09 PM IST
// probably more sophisticated than Rama //
andaruu brahmalE ayinappuDu raavaNuDu ekkuva enduku? ( mI siddhaantaprakaaramE )
parambhuuya pravakshyaami jNjaanaanaam jNjaanamuttamam
yajNjaatvaamunaya@h sarvE paraam siddhi mitOgataa@h. bha. gI.14-1
alaagE ajNjaanamu gurinchi,
tamastvajNjaanajam viddhi mOhanam sarvadEhinaam
pramaadaalasya nidraabhistannibadhnaati bhaarata bha.gI. 14-8
ajNjaanamunaku kaaraNamainadi tamOguNamu daanikabhimaani durgaadEvi( lakshmiki SrI,bhuu, durgaa anE muuDu ruupamulu vunnavi) daityulaku( raakshasulaku) andarikI adharma buddhi, aalasyamu, nidraa, ahamkaaramu kaligistundi.
I vidhamugaa raavaNuDu daityuDu. hIrO kaadu. jIrO.
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 22, May 2006 3:46:01 PM IST
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 22, May 2006 12:35:09 PM IST
avunumari mIlekkana. raavaNaasuruDu kooDaa parabrahmE mI siddhaantam prakaaramu. kaani aa parabrahmaku kooDaa svaarthamu, ahankaaramu vunnaTlukadaa endukanTE avi raavaNaabrahmaki vunnaayi kaabaTTi. :)
oka prakkana jNjaani anTUnE inkoka prakka ajNjaani anTunnaaru. amTE parabrahmaki jNjaanamu , ajNjaanamu renDU vunTaayannamaaTa(mIsiddhaantam prakaaram ) :)
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 22, May 2006 2:21:19 PM IST
Posted by: Keerty At: 21, May 2006 5:22:26 AM IST
innaaLLu teliyaka ippuDu telusukunnaananukunTunnaaru! enta avivEkamu? ekkaDainaa iddaru brahma(parabrahmalu) vunnaaranna naapOshTingu vunTE chuupanDi. I Ti.pi. numDE nishkramistaanu.
EdO vaagaDam chaalaa sulabham.
Enjoy your ignorance.
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 22, May 2006 2:01:53 PM IST
helo kirtiji and anuji
nice to see you again. kaadani evaru annaaru kIrtiji.oka chinna crux uMdi.raavaNaasuruDu kUDaa jNjaanE mari.
probably more sophisticated than Rama
kaani tana(raavaNaDu) vijNjaanaani,jNjaanaanni "ahaMkaaramu"tO kappivEsukunnaaDu.A jNjaanaanni,vijNjaanaanni tana swaarthamukOsamu upayOgiMchukunna ajNjaani kUDaa.I krimdi chivara posting kUDaa chadavaMDi.nEnu cheppadaluchukunnadi arthamavutuMdi.
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 17, May 2006 12:12:49 PM IST
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 22, May 2006 12:35:09 PM IST
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 19, May 2006 3:42:20 PM IST
nI. naa bhagavantuDu ani vErE lEru vunnadi okaTE paramaatma (bhagavantuDu).adE
vishNuvu
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 20, May 2006 10:17:50 AM IST
2.sunGod kaakapOtE fire God.
3. manassu swaadhInamu techchukOvaTamuvalana manamu saMpaadiMchina jNjaanaanni durupayOgamu chEyakuMDaa maanavaaLiki upayOgistaamu.mana manassu mana swaadhInamulO uMDaTamuvalana manakE eMtO mElu kadaa.vichakshaNa ,vivEkamu vastaayi.maLLI vichakshaNa vivEkamu eMduku ani aDagakaMDi.
nIruni manamu aNachaTamulEdu/manamu vaaTi chE aNigiMchukOvaTamulEdu.vaaTini manamu sareina daarilO upayOgiMchagalugutunnaamu.( electricity,windmills,dams to store water )
nijamugaa paramaatmuni tatvamu telisinivaaDu "naa bhagavaMtuDu phalaana ani"
viDadIyaDu.
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 19, May 2006 3:42:20 PM IST
suuryuDaa
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 18, May 2006 4:03:16 PM IST
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 17, May 2006 12:12:49 PM IST
Opikagaa vraasaaru. baagundi. mIranE mOkshamu ( fredom from every thing) anTE SuunyamanE arthamunE sphurimpajEstundi. mI rekkaDaa Taipu cheyyalEdani pratyEkamgaa cheppakkaralEdu.
1. mIru cheppinavi konni lakshaNamulu maatramE. SaktimantuDu anTE aabhagavantuDu(paramaatma) ananta SaktimantuDu. sRushTi karta. sRushTE kaadu sRushTi, sthiti, niyamana, jNjaana , ajNjaana , bandha , mOkshamulanu ashTa kartRutvamulanu avalIlagaa chEya galaDu. SaraNaagata vatsaluDu.
guDDi nammakamu tO chEsE karmalu(puuja, punaskaaraaluu valananE kaadu vEdaalu chadivinaa, tapassu chEsinaa , inkaa ilaaga anEka vidhamulu cheppabaDDAyi bhagavadgIta 11-53 va SlOkam lO. daanini chadivi artham chEsukOnDi.
mari Evidhamugaa bhagavantuni telusukoni , chuusi mOkshamu pomdagalugutaamO 11-54 lO cheppaaru. mIdaggara avi lEka pOtE nannu pOshTu cheyyamanTE chEstaanu. SlOkaalu intaku mundu kooDaa pOshTu chEsaanu. artham chEsaanO lEdO gurtu lEdu.
2. I aanglapadaalatO naaku gaTTi pEchIvE. sun god anTE evaru? suuryDaa? lEka agniyaa? naavuddESyam EmiTanTE aayaa dEvatalu vaaLLapanulu cheyyagalagaDaaniki kaaraNam paramaatmuDani. vaaLLaki svayamugaa( paramaatma anugraham lEkunDaa ) vaari vaari panulu chEsE Sakti lEdu. adE asvatantryamanTE. paramaatma sarva svatantryuDu.
I svatantrya, asvatantrya tatvamulu aadhyaatmika praSnalu lO charchinchaamu.
3. bhakti, dhyaanamu manassuni nigrahinchi svaadhiinam lOki techchu kOvaDaaniki annaaru. aasvaadhInam dEnikOsamu. mana manassunu bhagavantuni mIda nilapaDaaniki. antE gaani prakRuti Saktulaina agni, vaayuvu, nIru modalagunavi maanava SaktilO aNigi vunDaDaaniki kaadu. vaaTimIda adhInam okka bhagavantunikE vunnadi. prakRuti(lakshmI dEvi) purushuni pai ( vishNuvu) aadhaarapaDi vundi.
dInilO chivaragaa mIrEmi cheppa dalchukunnaarO naaku artham kaalEdu. manishi sarva Sakti mantuDu. vaaDu daanini durviniyOga parachakumDa chuuDaDaanikE bhagavantuDu kaavaalanaa? anTE mIru paramaatma tatvamunu sariggaa artham chesukOlEdaniyE.
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 18, May 2006 3:59:19 PM IST
SIN AND SALVATION IN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM
By A. Ibrahim
God, who created us and whom I serve and love more and more, allows me in His sovereignty to pass on to you the teaching of sin and salvation as found in the Bible and the Quran. I count it as a great privilege to write on this most important subject. Before we examine the facts in detail let us look at the bigger picture. In doing so we shall realize that Muslims and Christians have a great deal in common. Perhaps this is the reason why the Quran speaks very highly of us Christians when it says, I quote Surah 5, Al-Maidah, verse 83:
Thou shalt certainly find the Jews and those who associate partners with God to be the most vehement of men in enmity against the believers. And thou shalt assuredly find those who say, 'We are Christians', to be the nearest of them in love to the believers. That is because amongst them are savants and monks and because they are not proud."
I am glad that the Quran uses the words "amongst them" when it praises the Christians, because as it points out later and also as we see today, not all who call themselves "Christians" are living up to their name. Many people who are born in what some people still call mistakingly "Christian countries" are indeed far away from following Jesus. They practice adultery, homosexuality, get drunk, do not care for their neighbors, they live in selfish ways. Together with practising Muslims, those Christians who practice their faith condemn all those horrible acts.
Furthermore, both communities believe that:
-God is one.
Jesus answered, "..... the Lord our God, the Lord is one."
(Mark 12:29, see also Psalm 50:1, Maleachi 2:10.15, Romans 3:30, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Galatians 3:20, Ephesians 4:6, 1 Timoty 2:5, James 2:19)
"And argue not with the People of the Book except with what is best as an argument, but argue not at all with such of them as are unjust. And say 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and that which has been revealed to you; and our God and your God is One; and to Him we submit.'"
(Quran, Surah Al-'Ankabut, 29: 47)
-God creates. (Genesis 1-3, Surah Al-Baqara 2:22.30, etc)
-God rules. (Psalm 22:28, Surah Al-Sajdah, 32:6, etc.)
-God reveals. (Amos 4:13, Surha Al-Nahl, 16:102, etc.)
"....There is no changing the words of Allah-that indeed is the supreme triumph."
(Surah Yunus, 10:65)
Since the Bible consists of the Torah, the Zabur, and the Injil, all of which are accepted by Muslims and Christians to be God's word, it can not have changed according to th Quran. (For many more arguments supporting this fact please read, "The Quran confirms: Today's Bible is unchanged", and "The History of the Quran and the Injil", both by A. Ibrahim, 1996, published on this web page:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Abdul_Ibrahim)
-God loves. (John 3:16, Surah Al 'Imran 3:135, etc.)
-God judges. (Psalm 9:8, Surah Al-Mumtahanah, 60:11, etc.)
-God forgives. (Psalm 103:3, Surah Al-Fath, 48:15, etc.)
Both, Christians and Muslims can emphatically underline the above statements, even though we may differ on the "how" and the "what" of the above. However, as an accepted rule of inerpreting God's revelation in both communities, we always must look at apparent differences or contradictions in the light of ALL the verses in the Scriptures.
Take for example the Christian and Muslim belief that God is One. Christians have been misunderstood by Muslims to believe in three gods. We need to look at this charge in the light of the following facts quoted above. According to both, Christianity and Islam,
-God is one.
-God's revelations can not be changed.
Therefore, Muslims should, and really can not say that Christians believe in three gods otherwise they contradict both the Bible and the Quran. The only alternative is to look at passages that may give rise to the misunderstanding and explain them in the light of other, clear passages. That is exactly what Christians have done when they formulated the doctrine of the Trinity. They did this as a response to misunderstandings that arose from looking only at parts, instead of the whole revelation of God. In doing so they realized that for example time by itself consists of past, present and future. If any one of these is removed then universe and time will cease to be! Fire generates heat and light. Thus fire, with its light and heat is one thing. Multiplicity in unity is a very common phenomena. This kind of spiritual unity which reflects the Biblical understanding of the Trinity is distinguished from mathematical unity where 1+1+1 = 3. In mathematical terms one could compare Trinity with 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.
"Further, some have pointed to the fact that Muhammad was simultaneously a prophet, a husband, and a leader. Why then should a Muslim reject the idea of a plurality of functions (persons) in God." ("Answering Islam", by N.L. Geisler&Abdul Saleeb) Baker Books U.S.A. 1993, page 269"
The main stream of Christianity throughout all the world believes in one God, the Holy Trinity. It is indeed a mystery, as God Himself is, and as eternity and infinity are. "It is held that although the doctrine is beyond the grasp of human reason, it is, like many of the formulations of physical science, not contrary to reason, and may be apprehended though it may not be comprehended by the human mind." (See, "Encyclopedia Americana", "Trinity", by F.C. Grant, Danbury, Con.: Americana Corp., 1980)
The religion of Islam too faces such intellectual challenges. The Quran speaks about God anthropomorphically (it uses human terms to describe him). Orthodox Muslims do not explain the "how". Similarly, it is a fact that God's word was revealed in a book, but how the infinite can be expressed in the finite is not clarified.
Both, Christians and Muslims, believe in an Almighty, All powerful, All present, sovereign God who therefore can not be known unless he makes himself known to us by revelation. This knowledge puts us in the right position of humility when dealing with the awesome subject of sin and salvation. The awareness that our knowledge of God is limited to that what he has chosen to reveal to us makes us realize that logic, the science of reasoning, of common sense play a limited role when it comes to the ways of God.
In dealing with our subject we always must keep this God- given framework in mind: Both, Christians and Muslims believe God is One and that his word can not be changed. Whatever comes across our path that seems to say otherwise must be understood in the light of the former two facts. If it is not we contradict our own fundamental beliefs.
Quranic view of sin
Firstly, in the Quran we find an awareness that human beings will be corrupt once they are created.. About Adam we read:
"And when thy Lord said to the angels: 'I am about to place a vicegerent in the earth,' they said, 'Wilt Thou place therein such as will cause disorder in it, and shed blood?-and We glorify Thee with Thy praise and extol Thy holiness.' He answered, 'I know what you know not.'
Secondly, the following verses confirm the fear of the angels:
Iblis said, after disobeying Allah:
".............I will most surely bring his (Adam's) descendants under my sway except a few."
(Surah Bani Isra'il)
In another account of the same story Iblis is reported to have said:
Then will I surely come upon them (Adam's descendants)........and Thou wilt not find most of them to be grateful."
(Surah Al- A'raf, 7:18)
As our terrible history shows continually these verses came true and therefore it is very difficult to explain how human beings can be basically good in the light of all the horror they cause on a world wide scale.
Thirdly, some parts of the Quranic account of Adam's sin reflect the biblical perspective. God made a covenant with him (Surah Taha 20:116) and with his descendants. (Genesis 9:9) God generally relates to men through a covenant. In Surah Al'-Baqara, 2:40 we read:
"O children of Israel! remember my favours which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me, I will fulfil My covenant with you, and Me alone should you fear."
A covenant is a contract or agreement between two parties. The corresponding word in the Injil, the Gospel is, "testament." That is why Christians call the Injil, "New Testament". Throughout His revelation God has made promises and given laws to his creation.
When Adam and Eve sinned they violated the three following important aspects of the covenant:
1. The covenant is personal.
God Himself gave the covenantal commands in the Bible (Exodus 10:1-2) and in the Quran. (Surah Al-Ma'ida, 5:8-11) Therefore sin is the breaking of a relationship and disobedience or rebellion against God who is behind the covenant. (Isaiah 59:1-2, Nehemiah 9:26, Psalm 10:2-6. 51:4) This is confirmed when reading in the Quran about a tribe called "Thamud" who disobeyed God's command given through a prophet called "Salih":
"Then they hamstrung the she-camel and rebelled against the command of their Lord, and said, 'O Salih, bring us that which thou threatenest us with, if thou art indeed one of the Messengers."
Surah Al-A'raf, 7:78, see also 73 where people who sin are said to have: "rejected our signs", Surah Yunus, 10:16: "disobey", Surah Qaf, 50:28-29: "rebel", Surah Al-Furqan,25:22: "too proud of themselves")
2. The covenant is revealed.
Both, the Quran and the Bible speak clearly about God who reveals His will to men. ( (Amos 4:13, Surha Al-Nahl, 16:102, etc.) Man can respond to revelation either with belief or disbelief. If follows that another definition for sin is disbelief in God. The Quran makes this clear when it says:
"Remember when thy Lord said to the angels, 'I am about to create man from clay; And so when I have fashioned him in perfection, and have breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in submission to him.'
So the angels submitted, all of them together. But Iblis did not. He behaved proudly, and was of those who disbelieved."
(Surah Sad, 38:75)
Not to believe in God and his commandments means refusing to allow God to be God in one's life. It means a refusal to acknowledge and trust God as God. God is selfishly and proudly replaced with self. One starts to believe in one self or somebody else. It is the purest form of idolatry, possibly the root of all sin which is equal to committing "shirk" (associating partners with God, worshipping somebody or something else except God.
3. The covenant forms the basis of Law.
God's law is his revealed will made known through his commands. Therefore, the person that disobeys them transgresses the law.
"(Allah) taught man what he knew not. Nay! man does indeed transgress, because he thinks himself to be independent.
(Surah Al-'Alaq, 96:7)
Like the Bible (Matthew 12:34, Luke 18:11-14) the Quran too recognizes that the heart attitude is more important than the external act of obeying the law. In Surah Al-Ma'ida, 5:4 Allah forbids the eating of certain kind of meat. However the verse finishes saying that in certain circumstances the forbidden becomes allowed:
"But whoso is forced by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, then, surely Allah is Most Forgiving and Merciful."
If it is possible to disobey God's law as long as one is not wilfully inclined to sin, then it follows that
it is also possible to obey God's law outwardly but still to commit sin.
Posted by: Mr. Hasya Brahma At: 18, May 2006 11:25:36 AM IST
Question: Are the terms Salvation, Liberation, Samadhi, Nirvana, and Moksha are identical in your opinion?
Answer: No, there is difference between them.
How is Salvation understood in, say, Orthodoxy? One has to be baptized, to confess the sins, to receive Communion, to visit church regularly, to cross oneself — then one will be saved. And those who do not do that will not be saved.
Some people realize that this is not enough for the complete self-realization. This is necessary only for those who just start walking the religious path.
If we do go deeper, a question arises: “What are we saving ourselves from?” From hell? But is it what Jesus called us to? He taught not to save ourselves from hell but to become perfect as God is perfect! And faith alone is not enough for us to be saved from hell: as it is said “without deeds the faith is dead”!
The term Nirvana denotes a whole class of states, stages of ascent — from the first instance of achieving Nirvana up to establishing oneself finally in it . At this part of the Path, one has to do a lot, in particular, to master “static” and “dynamic” aspects of Nirvana in Brahman and Nirvana in Ishvara. There also exists a very big gap between reaching these states — and full and steadfast mastery of them. When the latter is achieved, it constitutes the attainment of Mahanirvana.
The term Samadhi is also many-sided. In the Bhagavad Gita, Samadhi is an emotional state arising during first immersions of the consciousness into Atman. In this sense this word is used in our School. But some Hindu schools started expanding the meaning of this term — both onto the higher and lower states. The highest among them is called Sahaja-Samadhi what is somewhat equivalent to the state of Mukti.
The term Liberation means getting free from all attachments to everything “earthly”, including the body and “I”. In Sanskrit, this word sounds as Mukti (Moksha).
Posted by: Mr. Hasya Brahma At: 18, May 2006 9:52:08 AM IST
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