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God is shapeless, invisible, omnipotent, omnipresent, irrelegious.....U agree?

hahahahahahahahaha nAku NgNjAnOdayam ayyindanDI vijayA gArU

Posted by: Durga Prasad At: 22, Jul 2003 4:18:38 PM IST

vijayA gArU, andukE kadanDI nEnu chEtulettEsindi! Ayana oppukunEnduku sumukhangA lEru anna vishayam "bul shiT " annappuDE ardham ayyi ika vArini santRupti parachE naipuNyam , vAkpaTima, NgNjAnam nAku lEdani vadilESA

Posted by: Durga Prasad At: 22, Jul 2003 4:16:53 PM IST

Well said SDB! Its a more optimized answer. Croc, you know very well than me the reason behind the so called natural calamities, cancer, breast cancer etc. How can we say that its not "our" mistake and we are not sinners? I am wrong in the case of AIDS via mosquitos. I agree. And I'm sorry, I don't an answer for your questions. dEvuDanEvADunnADAyani manishiki kaligenu sandEham manushulanEvArunnArA ani dEvuDikochchenu anumAnam Vijay Kumar garu, nEnoppukunTunnA, nEnO mUrkhuDinani. oka mUrkhaSikhAmaNinani. chaduvukunna pAmaruDinani. nAku klOning anTE telIdu. RDBMS ki, dEvuDiki sambandham EnTO telIkunDA vAgAnu. (But you haven't answered me why so many languages while we can sole our problems using assembly language). I spoke bullshit about boon. It is not boon, I can say a gift. Can't I say that? Beepers, pagers all bullshit I spoke. Because I'm a MOORKHUDU. I don't know the meaning of virgin. Could you explain me the definition of BOON? The funny comments I made about match box is shit. I shouldn't have compared non-living things with living things. One more argument... the draft. When you go one level high, dinosarus and humans are both living things. Can't (the so called God) have a draft of living beings? Why shouldn't he start with some kind of living being and enhanced it to humans? When the concept of "user object" be enhanced by Microsoft to the most popular Active-x control and many of the software developers buy that, appreciate it and agree with it, why can't you agree with my view? chUsArA maLLI mUrkhatvamtO EdEdO kArukUtalu kOstunnAnu? adEnanDI kukka tOka anTE! Emi chEstAm , nEnO mUrkhuDini kadA! You didn't say that, none said that I'm moorkhudu, but I realised it by myself after reading your answer to my posting. You opened by eyes. I was believing God till now and believed so strongly that I started opposing the non-believers blindly and trying to "preach" them that God is there. I am wrong. As long as it doesn't hurt me when people don't believe that God is ever existing, I don't need to open my mough. And same with them, as long as we "blind" believers believe the existance of God without hurting them, they too don't need to argue with moorkhas like me. You just can't convince me that there is no God because I'm a parama mUrkhuDu and I understand that my knowledge is just not sufficient to convince you about the existance of God. Long time ago, our old grandpas used to say "uttaram vaipu tala peTTi peTTi paDukOkurA" and we used to oppose them by just saying bullshit. But later, it was proved that due to earth's magnetic nature, it disturbs human's brain and etc by sleeping with head towards North. It is logic when it was proved. Before that, it was bullshit. No logic. We never believed it, because there was no logic behind that. Several issues we said bullshit until they were proved by some human. So, don't you think that we(who didn't believed those things what our ancestors told us without proven logic and said bullshit) were ignorant people and fools by just not believing until they were proved? And I remember a small story of Tenali Rama or some one about the existance of butter in milk. Hope you too remember it. I know that it is irrelavent story here. Yes, I agree with you that educated people like me believe such shit, what about villagers, who are being ditched/cheated daily? So, if I agree that God is not existing, I will be one of the intelligent knowledgable guys in the world, right? Thanks Vijay Kumar for opening my eyes. I lost in this argument with you. I have no more ideas to say. I give up.

Posted by: Durga Prasad At: 22, Jul 2003 2:51:13 PM IST

I am not in dilema ..Mr Yadgir..and I never said that Christainity or Islam is much better religion ..If u see my first posting ..I clearly mentioned that each religion have their myths..just like in Hinduism.. My main argument is GOD never exists at all ..it is creation of Humans.. And Durga Prasad gaaru.. On ur comment.. // Karna... or first artificial insemination... or what ever you call in the recent day's so called "santhana saafalya kendram's " techniques. // Here there is no logic..b'coz in the artificial semination process, the person should be physically present and his semen is taken and inserted into women's uterus.But hr SUN cannot be considered as person..as everybody (educated or uneducated) knows that it is the star in the galaxy and cannot donate semen..Vaayu cannot donate or produce semen..If u consider vaayu or sun as a person..that is what I am saying is assumption or myth..And all this assumptions given by you like pagers,beepers are mere exagaration of ur belief..And u told "MUNI GAVE KUNTHI A BOON" ..what is the defination of boon..?Bullshit..If the educated persons like u start beleiving this type of superstitions ..what will happen to the village people ..who are cheated regularly with these kind of superstitions .. SO UR EXPLAINATION REGARDING THE USE OF HI-FI TECHNOLOGIES BECOMES VOID.. And ur comparision of MATCH-BOX with KUNTHI is just ridiculous..U R TRYING TO COMPARE LIVING AND NON LIVING THINGS..OR U DONT KNOW THE DEFINATION OF "VIRGIN".. Regarding this: // If you really want to answer your friend in your country where you are living, answer him "it is the same way that Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ." Similar things in all the religions(may be)... though the narration differs. // As I said I am not supporting that concept either..b'coz that is also created by humans..who claims to be witness of that event.. If u read that article reg. birth of JESUS..it says.. "Virgin MARY was married to Joseph and the ANGEL sent by god came to VIRGIN mary and kept Jesus in her womb..thats how he was born sinless.." Can u believe it? ..If u search the web there r lot of arguments going on ..on this "FICTITIUOS" topic for yrs..So I dont belive this either..as it doesnt hv any logic.. Regarding this funnist comment.. // Humans created Gods, not God created humans... may be. But, why dynasaurus first not humans? Good question. Those animals are drafts of creation. You will write a test program first, with the core logic and then add so many functions to that or some thing like that. Then, you put exception handlers and so on. You write a document and send it to review. And they are called drafts. You modify the document with the corrections suggested by reviewers and make a final document. You yourself have so much of process for such a simple program and document, what about creation of living beings? So God had his drafts. // Tell me one thing ..if u want to install INTERNET EXPLORER on ur system ..will u install NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR first and test it and approve that IE will also work fine.. Dinosurs and human beings are two different things ..how can u consider dinosur as a draft for human being..funny.. Same is ur explanation for RDBMS's,languages and religions.. What purpose it will solve by catogerising humans into religions..nothing.. And regarding the explaination of AIDS.. Cryogenic croc already explained in nice way..thanks for that.. Can u explain Mr.Durga Prasad..are the people dying in that natural calamities are sinners..no way.. FOR VIJAYA GAARU ---------------- // Then, you tell me WHO has created the sun,oceans,nature and so on...? According to you,Is it human being who is the creator of nature? // I never told in my explainations that human created all that.. They are created by themselfs..by different chemical reactions.. For explaination refer this site.. http://www.earthpoetry.demon.co.uk/evolution.html There is scientific research going on regarding existance of life on Mars ..and it is in the stage when earth was thousands yrs ago.. That I think u hv to beleive..

Posted by: విజయ్ At: 22, Jul 2003 5:42:16 AM IST

simpul bhai, vALLaki krIstu eTla puTTADO, manaki karNuDu lAnTi vALLu puTTAru. Test Tube Baby. The first test tube baby is Karna... or first artificial insemination... or what ever you call in the recent day's so called santAna sAfalya kEndramu 's techniques. So Karna and five pandavas borne like that. My view : the 5 Gods who represent 5 elements are... may be 5 persons who have full control on those elements. And similarly Sun etc. So, when Kunti thought of them, they appeared and the kid is born. There must be some process that was not shown clearly in our TV Ramayan & Mahabharatha. Those people Mr. Vayu, Mr. Sun, Mr Yama etc were some where far from Kundi and the muni(forgot name) gave Kunti a boon that think of them, they'll come and give you a kid. Means, he might have given a hotline calling device(say a wire-less device) with pre-designated numbers & when appropriate button is pressed, the line goes to that person and the pager with him beeps. Muni also informed them to attend the call of Kunti whenever she calls and donate your sperm and she'll follow a process to get pregnant without losing her virginity. And to test the device, she pressed the button of Sun, he appeared and completed his process and Kunti undergone the nine month's of pregnancy and delivered the kid, without losing her virginity(virgin = unused). "How is this possible" may be your question. One small example. Without breaking the seal of a recent-days' match box, we can empty the match box and can light our cigerettes. Means, the match box is virgin but it is being utilised. When this is possible for people like us, why is it not possible for the supreme people? When we can write a simple progrm, why can't Bill Gates write an amazing program using 8085 kit? It will be wonderful for us. Same with those time's God. If you really want to answer your friend in your country where you are living, answer him "it is the same way that Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ." Similar things in all the religions(may be)... though the narration differs. While showing in TV or movie, they just can't show the entire process of artificial insemination and Kunti getting pregnant with the semen of Surya without actual intercourse, right? We should use our knowledge and then imagine what would have excatly happened. If we can't, means we don't have adequate knowledge. A woman can get pregnancy without the man being present with her, right? When that is possible with our tiny brains, why wasn't that possible for those highly knowledged powerful people called Gods? Humans created Gods, not God created humans... may be. But, why dynasaurus first not humans? Good question. Those animals are drafts of creation. You will write a test program first, with the core logic and then add so many functions to that or some thing like that. Then, you put exception handlers and so on. You write a document and send it to review. And they are called drafts. You modify the document with the corrections suggested by reviewers and make a final document. You yourself have so much of process for such a simple program and document, what about creation of living beings? So God had his drafts. Why religions? Yes, why? Why do we need so many RDBMSs? Why so many languages(though this is the appropriate example)? For ease. To maintain the people... society... sectors etc., some strong persons in that region designated people into religions. As I'm poor in Social Studies, some one may refer to that subject for the evolution of religions & castes. Once we wide open our eyes and leave the idea of "NO GOD" and think with some attitude, we can understand the logic behind each myth. One small example for the presence of God. Malaria can spread using mosquitos as carrier, through our blood. AIDS also spread through blood. But why AIDS is not carried by mosquitos? God don't want all amAyaka prajalu to die with AIDS but only the people who make sin should be affected. Doesn't this sounds good? Imagine the AIDS also spread via mosquitos and we all would be affected with that disease without our mistake. Thank God, it doesn't happen like this way!

Posted by: Durga Prasad At: 21, Jul 2003 1:04:04 PM IST

Hi Vijaya Gaaru, Thanks for answering my questions.. But Ur answering is based on some assumptions..Like ..U r assuming that GOD is already there and then answering.. The questions I asked are nothing to do with religion ..but ur answers are only assumed on facts of Hindu religion.. For example, ///// You must have heard about the "PANCHA BHOOTALU"(not devils/ghosts). This body is made up of these five elements and when we die and the body decomposes each of these elements join the respective element. Pranam gaalilo.. etc.. *Shariram agni lo basmam avuthundhi* ///// In only Hindu religion the bodies r burnt after death..In other two major religions(Christanity and Islam) the bodies are just buried and neither the "ASTHIKALU" are merged in water..So what does that mean?..They r not using 5 elements(PANCHA BHOOTALU). This logic proofs that these rules are created by Humans according to there will..And they created God according to there requirements..and followings.. Even my major doubt: ///// Even in the great epic called Mahabharat..Karna and five Pandavas are born when Kunthi prays Sun god(As far as I know Sun is the star in the Solar system)..and Karna is born...Is it practically possible?She prays Vaayu and Bheem is born and so on...which is hard to beleive... //// U didnt answer this logic ..Even if I believe in Five elements...How can one be pregnant(Kunthi in this case..) just by remembering one the elements.. I am asking all these doubts b'coz there is one American student friend of mine ..who was doing research on Hinduism..And he asked all these Questions... I tried to answer ..but in vain..Hr lot of educated Americans are there who r very much interested in India and its culture..SO they ask lot of questions ..which we can not answer logically.. And this Sati example I which gave ,is also asked by that American..b'coz all these news they can see on BBC's website..He even asked about the dowry system..when Nisha Sharma's news came in BBC website..Which is another example present only in our religion(or country).. Reg this explaination.. //// Each of us whether Hindu/Muslim follow a god of our faith and beleif and think he is great. Fine, we can think however we want about the greatness of our GOD as long as we do not hurt anybody else’s sentiments about his GOD. GOD is one but different people want to see him in different forms. I will explain how? I am in fact one person physically. Many people call me with different names. My parents call me as their daughter, my husband calls me as his wife, my brother calls me as his sister and so on. Finally I am only one entity meaning different for different people. Same with GOD in whichever form and name one wants to see him he means that to him/her. ///// They call u with different names b'coz u r physically present..And this proves that humans call ONE with different names ..means they r creating god ..God didnt created them.. To YADGIR ---------- Dont try to critisize anything blindly..Mahabharat gurinchi thelusu kovalante engineering lo pettalisina avasaram ledhu boss. Nenu nee gurinchi critising comment rayachu.. But nee laanti vaalla tho argue chesi laabam ledhu.. NOTE:I AM JUST SEARCHING FOR GENUINE ANSWERS FOR QUESTIONS ASKED BY LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN U STAY IN FORIEGN COUNTRY..

Posted by: విజయ్ At: 20, Jul 2003 8:11:16 PM IST

And I am not telling to change ur views about god.. NOTE: Sorry for not adding "NOT" in previous posting...

Posted by: విజయ్ At: 20, Jul 2003 2:00:28 AM IST

CC,I think you have problem reading through whole article..if you read then u will come to know that what ever I wrote is about God not about religion.. And I am telling to change ur views about god.. If u agree thats fine..even I don't care..

Posted by: విజయ్ At: 20, Jul 2003 1:56:55 AM IST

Some doubts about god: Each religion have their own belief.For example,Muslims or Chirstians don't pray hindu gods,infact they dont even know them.Still they are surviving.And Hindus dont pray their gods.Still they are also surviving.Like this there are hundreds of religoins and hunderds of different gods. Each of the religion thinks that their god created the whole Universe ..what does that mean..? Are there different religions in Gods also..Like muslim gods lives in one universe ..and hindu gods live different universe ..on so on for different gods.. And one more doubt is ..in Hindu religion ..there is god created out of everything present in the world ..like Hanuman is called 'Vaayuputra', which sounds funny because air itself is a mixture of all gases ..how it can have a son? Even in the great epic called Mahabharat..Karna and five Pandavas are born when Kunthi prays Sun god(As far as I know Sun is the star in the Solar system)..and Karna is born...Is it practically possible?She prays Vaayu and Bheem is born and so on...which is hard to beleive...And I know that every religion have this kind of myth about their gods.. And one more thing..If god created man..then how come on the earth first there were Dinosurs ..no human beings..and human beings are evolved from Monkeys....not directly came as human beings on the earth.. I read some articles about the evolution of human beings and creation of god.. In those articles they say that when human being didnt know the significance of water ,air or whatever five elements...there were no gods..when they came to know that Sun is very important for living ..like without sun ..they cannot harvest and make food ..they started beleiving it as God.Same thing with water..So as they started to know the significance of each thing ..they started to name God after that thing..This is how god is created..And someone who may be the leader ..he started telling that God is Almighty and he controlls the Universe..But I am still clueless about how different religions are created.. I will give one example which occured recently ..In Rajasthan one woman commited Sati ...Superstitous people stated believing her as God and they even built temple with her name..So after 100-200 years she will be very famous God..As nobody will know the Actual facts about the woman.. So now tell me whether God created Human beings or Human beings created God...? These are just my Questions..I am not critising anybodies views ..

Posted by: విజయ్ At: 20, Jul 2003 0:36:40 AM IST

Research cheyalani vundi......kani prastutam sponsers leru....meeru cheyandi sponsor research chesi pedtha... GOD gurinchi think chesedi only humans.... so i think what i told is justified in my opinion.... Animals ki a problem ledu they dont have any religion....

Posted by: Mr. M.S.Reddy At: 18, Jul 2003 2:47:39 PM IST

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