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nammakaM mukhyaM - aMTunnaaru kadaa meeru kooDaa!
evaLLa ishTaM vaaLLadi. vErE mataalapeina mOjunnavaaLLanu uMchukOnivvaMDi. ayitE krottamataMlO chErEmuMdu kaasta chaduvukunnavaaDu, vivEkavaMtuDu reMDu mataala graMthaalanu kshuNNaMgaa chadivi, maMchicheDulanu bEreejuvEsukuni maree mataM maaraTaM nyaayaM. deenini paatamataMpeina kakshagaanu, nirasanagaanu kaaka, nijameina avagaahanatO chEsukuMTE baaguMTuMdi.
Posted by: SATYA RAMA PRASAD KALLURI At: 2, Nov 2006 6:34:35 AM IST
buddhuDu aa vidhaMgaa veLLi, 'bhagavamtuDi tattwamu agOcharamuganuka bhagavamtuDanEmaaTa charchaneeyaaMSamu kaadu' - annaTlu maa chinnappuDu chadivaanu.
mari heenayaanaM EM chebutOMdi? mahaayaanaM EM chebutOMdi? ee madhyana koMdaru ookummaDigaa bouddhamataMlO chErutunnaaraTa. vaari aMSaalu, aadESasootraalu (postulates ) EmiTi? cheppagalaraa?
Posted by: SATYA RAMA PRASAD KALLURI At: 2, Nov 2006 5:24:58 AM IST
vEdaalalOni bhaagaalu
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1. saMhita - maMtraala samkalanaM
2. braahmaNamu - vividhayajNjaalalO vaaTiki saMbamdhiMchina maMtraala arthaalanu vivaristoo, yajNjaalanu
E vidhamgaa naDapaalO teliyajEsE bhaagaM
3. aaraNyakamu - brahmacharya, gRuhasthaaSramaala taruvaata chEyadagina vidhulanu telipE bhaagaM
4. upanishattulu (vEdaaMtaM) - ivi vEdaala chivarana unnaviganuka 'vEdaaMtaM' ani aMTaaru. lEdaa vEdavijNjaanaaniki
paraakaashTha kaabaTTi kooDaa veeTini 'vEdaaMtaM' ani anavachchunu.
peina pErkonna naalugiMTilO modaTi mooDoo dEvatala stOtraalu, yajNjayaagaadi karmakaaMDaku saMbaMdhiMchina aMSaalu kaliginaTTivi. upanishattulu kEvalaM jNjaanakaaMDaku sambaMdhiMchinavi.
upanishattulu vEdaalapeina tirugubaaTu chEsinaTlugaa kooDaa anipistuMdi. mukhyaMgaa manaM geetalO
ippaTivaraku choochina konni SlOkaalalO kooDaa 'vaaTini daaTipOvaali' anE samdESaM kanipiMchiMdi kadaa!
ee upanishattulu vEdaalalOni aMtarbhaagaalE ayinaa, avi karmakaamDakaMTE unnatasthaayiki cheMdina
jNjaanakaaMDaku praamukhyamichchaayi.
'vEdaM-vEdaaMtaM' - veeTi parasparaveirudhyaM(?)guriMchi kaaMcheepuraM paramaachaaryula abhipraayaM (aaMglaMlO) istunnaanu.
pustakaM pEru - HINDU DHARMA (the Universal Way of Life)
(Voice of the Guru PoojyaSree Chandrasekharendra Saraswati svaami - Translation to English by Sri R.G.K.- earlier Asst. Editor of 'Illustrated Weekly)
Part 5 'The Vedas'
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Chapter 32 - 'Veda & Vedaanta : Are they opposed to each other?
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The rituals mentioned in the karmakaaMDa of the Vedas are sought to be negated in the
jNjaanakaaMDa which is also part of the same scripture. While the karmakaaMDa
enjoins upon you the worship of various deities and lays down rules for the same,
the jNjaanakaaMDa constituted by the Upanishads ridicules the worshipper of deities as a dim-witted person no better than a beast.
This seems strange, the latter part of the Vedas contradicting the former part. The first part deals throughout with karma, while the second part or concluding part is all about jNjaana. Owing to this difference, people have gone so far as to divide our scripture into two sections - the Vedas (that is the first part) to mean
the karmakaaMda and the Upanishads (Vedaanta) to mean jNjaanakaaMDa.
Vedaanta is that the Lord teaches us in Geetaa and in it he lashes out against the karmakaaaMDa. It is generally believed that the Buddha and Mahaaveera were the first to attack the Vedas. It is not so. Sree KRishna Paramaatman` himself spoke against them long before these two religious leaders. At one place in the Geetaa he says to Arjuna ( choo.2.42, 2.43, 2.44, 2.45 ) 'The Vedas are associated with the three qualities of sattva, rajas and tamas. You must transcend these qualities. Full of desire, they (the practitioners of Vedic rituals) long for paradise and keep thinking of pleasures and material prosperity. They are born again and again and their minds are never fixed in samaadhi, these men clinging to Vedic rituals.'.....
Does not such talk contradict all that I have spoken so far about the Vedas, that they are the source of all our dharma?
With some thinking we will realise that there is in fact no contradiction. Would it be possible for us, in our present
condition, to go beyond the three guNas even to the slightest extent and realise the true state of the Self (aatma)
spoken in the Upanishads? The purpose of Vedic rituals is to take us, by degrees, to this state. So long as we believe that the world is real we worship the deities so as to be vouchsafed happiness. And this world, which we think is real, is also benefited by such worship. Thinking the deities to be real, we help them and in return we are helped by them ( choo. 3.11 & 3.12). Living happily on this earth we long to go to the world of celestials (swargaM) and enjoy the pleasures of paradise. So far so good. But if we stopped at this stage would it not mean losing sight of our supreme objective? Is not this objective, this goal, our becoming one with the Paramaatman? Would it not be foolish to ignore this great ideal of ours and still cling to mundane happiness? ...........
If one has to qualify for the B.A. degree, one has to begin at the beginning - one has to progess from the first standard all the way to the degree course. One cannot naturally join the B.A. class without qulifying for it. At the same time, is it not absurd to remain all the time as a failure in the first standard itself?......
During the time of Sree KrishNa also the majority clung to rituals. His criticism is directed against them, against those who perform Vedic sacraments without understanding their purpose and who fail to go beyond them. Unfortunately, this is mistaken for criticism of the Vedas themselves. The Lord could never have attacked the Vedas per se. After all, it was to save them that he descended to earth again and again.
In keeping with his times, KrishNa Paramaatman spoke against people who confined themselves to the narrow path of karma. If he were to descend to earth again to teach us, he would turn against those who plunge into a study of the Upanishads,
spurning Vedic rites. It seems to me that he would be more severe in his criticism of these people than he was against those who were obsessed with karma.
Graduating to the Upanishads without being prepared for them through the performance of Vedic rites is a greater offence than failure to go along the path of jNjaana from that of karma. ...
The Vedas and Vedaanta are not at variance with one another. The karmakaaMDa prepares us for Vedaanta or the jNjaanakaaMda..........
If we perform the rites laid down in the karmakaaMDa, keeping in mind their true purpose, we shall naturally be
qualifying for the jNjaanakaaMDa...
peinacheppinadaanni gamanistE vEdavijNjaanaM kEvalaM koTTipaaravEyavalasinadi kaadani, VEdajNjaanaM vEdaaMtajNjaanaanikEdaariteeyaalani
naaku anipistOMdi.
Posted by: SATYA RAMA PRASAD KALLURI At: 1, Nov 2006 11:50:49 PM IST
mUrti gaariki namastE.
ikkaDa tyajimchamamTE takkuva chEyaDam ani kaadu vaaTini adhigamimchamani. marO meTTu ekkaDamamTE kimdi meTTuni tiraskarimchinaTlu kaadu. vEdaalu emtO goppaveinavi.
bhagavadgIta saamkhyayOgam : 45 va SlOkam :
triguNyavishayaa vEdaa nisteiguNyO bhavaarjuna I
nirdvamdO nityasattvO niryOga xEma aatmavaan II
O arjunaa ! vEdamulu sattvarajastamOguNamulakaaryarUpamuleina samasta bhOgamula gUrchiyu , vaaTini pomduTakei chEyavalsina saadhana gUrchiyu pratipaadimchunu. nIvu aabhOgamulayeDanu vaaTi saadhanalayamdu aasaktini tyajimpumu. harshaSOkaadi dvamdvamulakiatItuDavu kammu. ...............
ilaa artham saagutumdi.
ikkaDa vEdaalu pratipaadimchE saadhana yamdu aasaktini tyajimchamannaaDu kRushNuDu.
naa messEjilO gIta vEdaalani tyajimchamani amdi anaDam valla tappu ardham dhvanimchimchi umDavachchu. xamaapaNalu.
ayitE pei SlOkam vEdaalaki atItameina marO pratipaadana chEstOmdi. vEdaala saaram upanishattuleitE , upanishattula saaram gIta amTaaru. ayitE gIta marimta aDvaan#sD vishayaalani amdimchaDam viSEsham.
bhaaratIyula aadhyaatmika saadhana ki vividha meTlumTaayi. vaaTini aacharimchi uttIrNulayi marO meTTu ekkaalani artham kaanI pei meTTuki jamp chEyamani kaadu alaa ani ekkina meTlani nirasimchamanI kaadu. ikkaDa aacharaNa vishayamlO gIta marinni upakaraNaalu, vidhaanaalu, bhaavanalu, sRuha amdistU maarga nirdESanam chEstOmdi. avi amdukunnavaaru vaaru vaari sthaayila rItyaa ap grED avutaaru kaanI sIniyaariTIni baTTi kaadu.
taruvaati SlOkamlO
yaavaanartha udapaanE sarvat : samplutOdakE I
taavaan sarvEshu vEdEshu braahmaNasya vijaanata : I I
"anniveipulaa jalamulatO nimDiyunna mahaajalaaSayam amdubaaTulOnunna vaaniki chinna chinna jalaaSayamula valla emta prayOjanamO , paramaatmapraaptinamdi paramaanamdamunu anubhavimchu brahma jNjaaniki vEdamula valla amtiyE prayOjanam."
ikkaDa gIta cheppE vishayaalu amdukunnaaka maatramE vEdapratipaadita aacharaNani adhigamimchaali. lEkapOtE sarkas namdu gaalilO oka taaDuni viDichi marO taaDuni paTTukuni vELLaaDE fIT lO marO taaDu samIpamlOki raaka mumdE chEtilO taaTini vadilEsinaTlE.
vEdaalu janimchimdi bhagavamtuDi dvaaraanE. bhagavadgIta labhimchimdI aayana dvaaraanE okaTi goppa marokaTi takkuvani elaa cheppagalam ?.
naalgava adhyaayamlO 1 , 2 SlOkaalalO kRushNuDilaa chebutunnaaDu.
"nityasatyameina I yOgamunu sUryuniki telipitini. sUryuDu tanaputruDeina veivasvatamanuvuki dInini bOdhimchenu. aa manuvu tana kumaaruDeina ixvaakunaku upadESimchenu.
o parampataa ! (arjunaa!) I vidhamgaa paramparaapraaptameina I yOgamunu raajarShulu eRimgiri. kaani anamtaramu I YOgamu kaalakramamuna bhUlOkamamdu luptapraayamayyenu. "
amTU gItOdbhava aavaSyakatani teluputaaDu. gIta brahmavidyayeina yOga Saastramu.
mUrti gaariki dhanyavaadaalatO.
emjaay hEpInes : mIku kUDaa dhanyavaadaalu. vEdaala gurumchi mamchi samaachaaram telipaaru.
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Posted by: Mr. Krishna At: 1, Nov 2006 8:24:17 PM IST
Posted by: Mr. Krishna At: 1, Nov 2006 7:19:47 AM IST
// bhagavadgIta vEdaalanu tyajinchamani nissandEhamgaa cheputundi. anTE bhagavadgIta vunnappuDu vEdaala avasaram lEdu. //
chaalaa baagaa artham chEsukunnaaru :(
vEdaalu moTTamodaTa bhagavantunichE chaturmuKa brahma gaariki upadEsinchabaDinavi. taruvaata okkokkarikI Srutamainaayi. bhagavadgIta kuuDaa arjununaku bhagavantunichEtanE upadEsinchabaDinadi. tana chEtanE cheppabaDina vEdaalu endukuu panikiraavani vaaTini cheppina bhagavantuDE enduku cheptaaDu?
'vEdamuula midam jNjaanam '
'sarvE vEdaa yadpadamaamananti'
'vEdOKilO dharmamuulam smRutiSIlE cha tadvidaam
aachaaraSchaiva saadhuunaam aatmanOruchirEvacha'
' vEdapraNahitO dharma@h hyadharmastadviparyaya@h '
' vEdE raamaayaNEchaiva puraaNE bhaaratE tathaa
aadaavantEcha madhyEcha vishNu@h sarvatra gIyatE'
pai vaakkulannI endukU panikiraavanaa?
kaabaTTi aaSlOkaarthamunu sariggaa telusukOvaDam lOnE vundi.
ikkaDa 'traiguNya vishayaa vEdaa' ichchaTa vishaya Sabdamunaku 'visham yaapayanti' anu vyutpatyarthamuchE traiguNya vishamunu pariharinchunavi vEdamulaniyE artham . antE gaani vEdamulani pariharinchamani kaadu
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 1, Nov 2006 10:14:52 AM IST
anupamagaarU mamchi praSna vESaaru. samaadhaanam taruvaati messEji lO chebutaanu.
kRushNuDu cheptunnadi Saastravihita kartavyakarmalani aasakti rahitamgaa aacharimchamani. oka vELa paapaatmuDeinappaTikI gItaacharaNa valla elaa bayaTapaDagalaDO naalgava adhyaam lO 36 , 37 SlOkaalu vivaristunnaayi dInni. (4 - 37, 38 )
prasaadu gaaru cheppina xayam kaavalsina vishaya vaasanalu - Subhagaaru prastaavimchina ippuDu chEsE prati karmaki kaarakaalanna vaasanalu okaTi kaadEmO.
karmani prErEpimchE kaaraNaalani bhagadgIta marOlaa cheptOmdi.
1. manushyulamdarU prakRuti janitamuleina guNamulaki lObaDi karmalani chEyuTaku baadhyulaguduru . (3-5)
2. vaastavamugaa karmalanniyunu annividhamula prakRuti guNamula dvaaraanE chEyabaDuchumDunu . ahamkaaramuchE mOhitameina amta:karaNamugala ajNjaani "I karmalaki nEnE karta " nani bhaavimchuchumDunu.(3-27)
alaagE idE adhyaayamlO (3 va) 36, 37, 38 SlOkaalani chadavamani manavi. -- (3- 36, 37,38)
EmeinappaTikI I vishayamlO gITuraayigaa nilachE prasaadu gaari abhipraayam kOsam eduruchUstunnaanu.
prasaad gaaru abhipraayam cheppaaka charcha konasaagiddaamani vinnapam.
satya raama prasaadu gaariki, Subha gaariki , anupama gaariki dhanyavaadaalu.
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Posted by: Mr. Krishna At: 1, Nov 2006 8:50:24 AM IST
kRushNa gaaru, paramaatmayandE nityatRuptudaina purushuDu annaaru. anTE manamu SrIkRushNuDu antavaaLLamu kaavaali. mana lakshyam kUDaa adE. kaanI manam maaTlaaDutunnadi elaa aa sthiti chErukOvaDamu annadi. antadaakaa karma chEstUnE vunDaali. thiyarI kaakunDaa praacTicalugaa adi elaa cheyyaali? bhagavadgIta Emi chebutunnadi annadi okaTi. manamu Emi cheyyaali annadi inkokaTi. gIta chadivi artham ayindi anukunnata maatraana chaaladu. gIta chebutunna prakRuti evaru? enduku prakRuti anta Saktimantamainadi? nEnu karmaphala sanyaasam chEstaananTe enduku aaviDa nannu paDagoTTutundi, aaviDaku aa avasaram EmiTi? SrIkRushNuDu maTuku prakRutini tvaam adhishTaayaam ani enduku cheptunnaaDu? nEnu SrIkRushNuDulaaga avaalanTE prakRuti madhyalO enduku aDDu vundi? ilaaTi praSnalaki samaadhaanam teliyaali, telistE aacharaNalO peTTaali. sarvam prakRuti jairguNai: ani kRushNuDE cheptunnaaDu. anTE aaviDa sahaayam vunTEkaani karmalanu SrIkRushNuDu chEsinaTlugaa nEnu cheyyalEnu ani naaku artham avutunnadi. upanishattulalO annI vivaramgaa vraayalEdu. manamu artham chEsukOvaali. gIta kUDaa alaagE anukunTunnaanu.
Posted by: subha At: 1, Nov 2006 8:00:32 AM IST
viSEshamEmiTamTE bhagavadgIta puraaNaalu vEdaalu kannaa marO meTTu peinumDi maaTlaaDutumdi. vEdaalani tyajimchamani nissamdEhamgaa chebutumdi. amTE bhagavadgIta unnappuDu vaaTi avasaram lEdu. saamkhya yOgameina remDava adhyaayamlO 45 mariyu 46 SlOkaalu chUDamDi. (2-45, 46)
bhagavadgIta cheppina karma siddaamtam palaaphExarahitamgaa kartavya budditO karmalani elaa aacharimchaalani.
kartavyakarmamunaacharimchuTayamdE nIku adhikaaramu kaladu. ennaTikI daani phalamulamdu lEdu.
ilaa cheptumdi.
amtE kaanI karma siddaamtam amTE nuvveppuDO chEsikunna kharmalu ippuDu anubhavimchaka tappadu ani kaadu.
manam kalagaa pulagamgaa telsikonna vEdaamta vishayaalani gItaki an#vayam chEstE gamdaragOLam talettutumdi.
migataavi annI marchipOyi nIvE dikkannaTlu bhagavadgItani chadivi artham chEsikunE prayatnam chEstE chaalaamaTuku paapular abhipraayaalani viDichipeTTagalugutaam.
bhagavadgIta okkaTi chaalu imkEmI avasaram lEdu.
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Posted by: Mr. Krishna At: 1, Nov 2006 7:19:47 AM IST
bhagavadgIta karmasannyaasam gurumchi kUDaa chebutOmdi. amTE
"samasta karmala yamdunu vaaTi phalitamula yomdunu sarvathaa aasaktini vIDi , praapamchika-aaSraya rahituDei , paramaatmayamdE nityatRuptuDeina purushuDu , karmalayamdu chakkagaa pravRuttuDeinappaTikI vaastavamugaa vaaTiki (karmalaki) karta kaaDu.
4-20
dOshadRushTi lEkumDaa Sraddaayuktulei naa I matamunu anusarimchu maanavulu gUDa samasta karma bamdhamula numDi vimuktulayyedaru. 3-31
amTE manam maarini maruxaNam karmabamdhamula numDi vimuktulavutaarani. alaagE appaTivarakU chEsina paapaala numDi kUDaa vimukti labhistumdi paripUrNa viSvaasaalatO gItani aacharimchinappuDu.
Posted by: Mr. Krishna At: 1, Nov 2006 6:54:07 AM IST
kRushNagaaru, "nakarmaNaa manaarambhaath " SlOkamlO SrIkRushNuDu karmaacharaNamavaSyamani cheppaaDu kadaa. karmalani prErEpinchEdi vaasanalE kadaa. nishkaama karma, karma phala sanyaasamu adE chepputunnaayi anukunTunnaanu.
Posted by: subha At: 1, Nov 2006 6:08:31 AM IST
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