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viShNuvu naarayaNuDE. kaani naaraayaNuDu viShNuvu maatramEnanaDaaniki ekkaDainaa dhruvIkaraNa undaa?
(I mean to say "A is B doesnt always mean B is A" .. for instance "A male is a human does not mean a human is always a male" )
Pardon me, if I sound stupid but I would liek to know the answer
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 27, Jun 2006 11:23:36 AM IST
Cosmic fluid is Ether - might have been perceived as milk for the understanding of the common man
vishNuvu ki naalugu chEtulunTaayi, SivuDi meDalO paamunTundi, brahma ki naalugu talalunTaayi anTE thats only an interpetation ...
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 27, Jun 2006 8:55:02 AM IST
annamaachaaryulavaaru karecTu.
brahmamokkaTE parabrahmamokkaTE ... tandanaanaa bhaLaa
:))
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 27, Jun 2006 1:05:05 AM IST
vammo .. meeru koncham attacking mood lo unnattunnaru :))
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 26, Jun 2006 10:24:46 PM IST
Okka nimusham Okka nimusham ...
I gave you only one link and that belongs to the group which has done extensive research in inter-religious and comparitive religious studies. They definitely are well informed and educated.
When I feel I am correct and you feel otherwise, we have to depend on the third party that is well informed!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 26, Jun 2006 8:06:30 PM IST
OM Poornamadah Poornamidam Poornaad Poornamudachyate; Poornasya Poornamaadaaya Poornamevaavashisyate
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One transaltion (from a website i saw long back) says ..
What is Whole - This is Whole - What has come out of the Whole is also Whole; When the Whole is taken out of the Whole, the Whole still remains Whole
AND THIS IS PRECISELY THE DEFINITION OF THE MATHEMATICAL FIGURE 'INFINITY' AND OUR PEOPLE HAVE DEFINED THIS EVEN BEFORE THE WEST DISCOVERED MATHEMATICS
The essence of this verse is that the Infinite cannot be measured arithmetically, meaning that to Hinduism, God is Infinite. The Infinite can be represented in Infinite ways and does manifest in infinite ways. This, in short, is the essence of the Hindu belief in God. That He is everywhere, around us and within us. In fact Hinduism takes the bold step of proclaiming that “God and we are one”.
At the end of the day, Hinduism is monotheistic (Believes in One God). However, Hinduism believes not only in One God, but also in His Infinite manifestations around us and within us perpetually. Realizing that it is impossible for mankind to visualize the Infinite, Hinduism presents us with His forms to help us visualize him. This belief of Hinduism is often confused with polytheism.
To illustrate this point, as individuals observe the unending processes of birth, existence and death, which seem to be continually taking place around us, we constantly witness these processes and are yet ignorant of them, living as we do in the comfort of our illusory lives.
Hinduism gives form and shape to these "works" of the Infinite with the Hindu Trinity - Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. "Brahma" creates, "Vishnu" sustains, and "Shiva" destroys or consummates everything in the Universe.
The meaning of a persons life in Hinduism, the goal of existence, is the liberation from the cycle of rebirth and death, it is the release of the atman (the individual soul) into and via its relationship with Brahman (the universal soul), or in other words the meaning of ones life in Hinduism is the total and all encompassing Devotion to God to achieve "Moksha" or oneness with the Infinite.
Ref: http://experts.about.com/q/Comparative-Religious-Studies-1596/Existance.htm
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 26, Jun 2006 7:43:00 PM IST
Vedas existed even before Prahlada and the word Narayana has been uttered in mantrapushpam that is a part of the arunopaishad in Yajurveda (If I am not wrong) .. and we can not take prahlada as a reference here as he was just one of the narayana devotees.
Bhagavadgeeta DOES NOT superseed Upanishads .. it just interprets them and any misinterpretation of Geeta could lead to confusion too.
IT IS CORRECT THAT VISHNU IS OMKAARASWARUPA.. BUT THE THING IS THAT THE WORD OMKARASWARUPA MEANS THE ONE WHO TAKES THE SHAPE OF OMKARAM - WHICH CLEARLY IMPLIES THAT IT IS REFERING TO THE ONE WHO IS BORN FROM THE OMKAARAM ..
SO ONE MAY CONCLUDE THAT VISHNU IS BORN FROM OMKAARAM AND SO ARE BRAHMA AND SHIVA.
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THE LINE YOU ARE REFERRING TO ..
Sa Brahma Sa siva ssa hari syen drasso ksharah parama svarat
Sa = Verily, Brahma = Brahma; Sa sivah = Also Siva, Sa Harih = Also hari; Sa indra = Also Indra; Saha Aksharah = Not be destroyed; Parama Svarat = Supreme governor.
WHICH NEEDS TO BE INTERPRETED AS
HE TAKES THE SHAPE OF BRAHMA, VISHNU, SHIVA AND INDRA AND HE IS INDESRTUCTIBLE, BEING THE SUPREME GOVERNOR
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 26, Jun 2006 7:35:14 PM IST
The word water here refers to the etrnal cosmic Fluid .. not H2O .. and by the way Vishnu stays in MILK not Water (Going by your own argument)
So, IMHO, the Param Purush should be viewed as the cosmic fluid (Ether) that produces the sound AUM and rest of the universe has been created from this param purush.
Correct me if I am wrong please
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 26, Jun 2006 7:15:55 PM IST
And by the way Mantra Pushpam starts with
AUM DHATA PURASTADYA MUJADAJAHAARA ...
AUM DHATA = The param purusa (known as AUM); puratsadya = At the beginning;
Mudajahara = Created
It clearly states that the Param Pursha is nothing but the sound of OMKAARAM!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 26, Jun 2006 7:10:44 PM IST
Purushudu Sthree anevi applicable to the Animals/Humans andi .. but how can you interpret that to the God. DO we need an activity called reproduction for one form of energy to be converted to another?
And By the way .. if you are referring to Matrapushpam, then here it is ...
The Word NARA refers to the Cosmic Fluid (perceived as water) which contains the universe ( You can say Cosmos) .. and the word NARAYANA means something that has NARA as an attribute ... that refers to the LORD but it doesnt mean Brahma Vishnu, Shiva or Shakti!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 26, Jun 2006 7:04:52 PM IST
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