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General Forum: Religion | | God is shapeless, invisible, omnipotent, omnipresent, irrelegious.....U agree? | |
| Posted by: Mrs. Anupama K At: 22, Jan 2006 5:53:44 PM IST
Anugaru
Let me confess one thing. I came from orthodox brahmin family .I am aware of the rituals,customs, and traditions of what a Hindu brahmin does at his knowledge.(Why I have confessed this because without any proper understanding I cannot / should not speak out about a religion)
kaani raanu raanu manamu chEsi prati pani( I'm talking about Hindu tradition)lOnu asalu jNjaanamu vadilivEsi,daani intrepretation oka guDDi eddu chElO paDDaTTugaa chEstunnaaranipiMchEdi.iMkoMchamu muMdukeLLi Bible chadivaanu taruvaata "Khuraanu" arthamuchEsukonaTaaniki prayatniMchaanu.I have read books about Buddhism too.
What I felt is
Of all Religions Hinduism is the oldest religion.It is based on tremendous knowledgable books and unfortunately we people have mis intrepreted these books and confined to few set of un explained rules/laws.
The main messages what we(brahmins--because they are the only people know how to read and write sanskrit at those times ) have to convey people were totally misled/misinterpreted by few selfish(all kinds of) people.
THERE BEGAN THE RISE OF OTHER RELIGIONS.
We (ALL RELIGIONS--OLD AND NEW) forgot the main basic foundation of a religion.
Religion is in realisation.Religion is only a means to wordly well-being.
E matamulOneina modaTa maanavataa dharmamu guRiMchi cheppabaDinadi.taruvaata E dharmameinaa.
E mataanikeinaa muMdugaa kaavalisiMdi morals ,ethics ,and humanity.ivi lEni naaDu E matamu,dharmamu paaTiMchina vyarthamu. (we miss the basic concept of it.)aMdukE E dharmamu paaTiMchaali,Edi reiTu ani saMdigdhalO paDDaamu.
aMdukE InaaDu matamu matOn maadamulOki maarinadi.E deitE matamulO basic foundation/basic concepts avi nITi mIda vraatalE ayyaayi.A concepts chUsi nEDu manamu vekkiristunnamu,hELana chEstunnaamu,I kaliyugamulO panikiraani concepts aMTunnaamu.alaa anukoni iMkaa iMkaa fanaticism lO kUrukupOtunnaamu.
manishi jNjaanameitE peMchukunnaaDu kaani daaniki taggaTTugaa maanavataa dharmamu peMchukOlEdu.
A jNjaanamE nEDu (maanavadharmamu lEkapOvaTamu valana)vinaaSanaaniki daaritIstumdi.
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 23, Jan 2006 1:43:51 PM IST
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 21, Jan 2006 1:52:34 PM IST
//1.The cause must have its effect and nothing can prevent or restrain it.(As said by Aamrapaali garu---Even God.)//
jIvuDu chEsE (bhagavantunichE aakarmalu prErEpimpabaDi chEyinchinaTlainanuu kooDaa) aakarma yokka Palitam bhagavantuniki anTadu.adi jIvuDE anubhavinchaali.
bhagavadgIta 4va adhyaayam lO 14 va SlOkam
namaam karmaaNi limpanti namE karma PalaspRuhA
iti maam yObhijaanaati karmabhirnasabadhyatE
naadi lOkavilakshaNamaina kartRutvamu. kanuka karmalu nannanTanEravu. puNyapaapamulu darichEravu. karmaPalamunandatyaasakti naaku lEnE lEdu. anduvalana naaku karma lEpamu lEdu. iTlu naaku iTTivi lEvani teluyuvaaDE karmabandhamu baayuchunnanduna nEnika karma baddhuDanaguTeTlu? jIvulu naaku karmalEpamu lEnivaaDani yeR~uguTayE vaarikartavyamani pavitrakarmaacharaNani teliya valenu. naaku karmalEpamu lEdani jIvulu tamaku kooDaa karmalEpamu lEdani bhrama paDi karmalaacharinchuTa maana raadu.
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 23, Jan 2006 9:17:54 AM IST
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 21, Jan 2006 4:17:42 PM IST
Sir
I requested you earlier also.First read it and analysis.Please dont simply misinterpret my answers.
kaaliMdani paTTiMchukOka pOvaTamE.eMdukaMTE eppuDeitE bhagavaMtuDiki pUrti gaa surrender avagalugutaamu chEsina karma la yokkaimpactaayana sannidhi lO mana buddhiki ,manassuki takkuvanipiMchavachchu.iMkOsaari atanu paapakarmalu chEsE avakaaSamu takkuva.
vishNuvu ki prIti kaligimchEvi dharmamu aMTunnaaru.(adi manamu nammutaamu kaabaTTi.)
mari nEDu muslims 'allah' ki prIti kaligiMchEvE dharmamu aMTunnaaru.
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 22, Jan 2006 11:24:43 AM IST
pOnilE chivaraku prakshaaLanamu ee daaram lonE !
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 21, Jan 2006 9:17:43 PM IST
naarada puraaNamu saatvika puraaNamE. kaani mIrudaharinchinadi nE vinnadi vErugaa vunnaayi. dEva ganganu goorchi bhagIrathuDu tapassu chEsi meppinchi tananu bhuulOkaaniki vachchi tana taatala bhasmamu pai pravahinchavalasinadani kOrataaDu. appuDu gangaadEvi nannu, naa vEgaanni bharinchagaliginavaaDu bhuulOkam lO himaalayamunandu kailaasam lO vunnarudruDE ani cheputundi. appuDu bhagIrathuDu Sivuni guurchi tapassu chEsi meppinchi oppistaaDu. kaani aagangaa vudhRutini chuusi aligi tana jaTaaJuuTam lO bandhistaaDu. appuDumaLLI bhagIrathuDu Sivuni meppinchi gangani vadala manTaaDu aTupimmaTa telisinadE. kaani ikkaDa vishNuvu praSakti raalEdu. ikapOtE SivuDu ikkaDavunnaaDani alaaga cheppindE gaani chaturmuKabrahma, vishNuvulasamarthulani kaadu.
taaratamyamulO vishNuvu sarvOttamuDu, taruvaata naaSarahituraalaina lakshmI dEvi anantaananta guNamulu takkuva. aamekanTe chaturmuKabrahma gaaru kOTiguNaalu takkuva. brahmagaariki samuDu mukhyapraaNamuurti (praaNa vaayuvu). vaariddarikanTe 100 guNaalu takkuva sarasvatIdEvi , bhaaratIdEvi ( vaaripatnulu ). vaarikanTe 100 guNaalu takkuva garuDuDu, SEshuDu, maharudradEvuDu ( SankaruDu ). vaarikanTe 100 guNaalu takkuva vaaripatnulaina sauparNI, vaaruNI, paarvatulu. ilaaga vunTundi. intaku munupu koodaa vivarinchinaTlugurtu.
ikkaDa guNamanTe reTlu (times) ani artham
tE yE Satam~ maanushaa aanandaa@h
sa yEkO maanusha gandharvaanaamaanandaa@h
tEyE Satam~ dEvaanaamaanandaa@h
sa Eka indrasyaa aanandaa@h
taittarIya upanishattu
manushyalakanTe 100 reTlu manushyagandharvulaku, vaarikanTE 100 reTlu dEvatalaku, vaarikanTE 100 reTlu indruniki aanandamu vunTundi.
alaagE padma puraaNam lO
nRupaadyaa@h SatadhRutyantaa muktigaa uttarOttama@h
guNai@h sarvai@h SataguNai@h mOdantE iti hi SRuti@h
manushyOttamula nunDi chaturmuKa brahma paryantamu mukti pondina jIvulu okkakkarikanTE 100 reTlu aanandamunu pondutaaru
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 21, Jan 2006 6:55:27 PM IST
Posted by: Amrapaali At: 21, Jan 2006 12:50:53 PM IST
karmalalO sanchita, praarabda, aagaami ani vunnaayi. sanchita anTE intaku munupu chEsinavi. praarabda anTE prastuta janmalO anubhavinchavalasinavi. aagaami anTE ikamundu raabOyEvi. bhagavantuDu sarva samarthuDu. aparOkshajNjaanam kaligina vaariki sanchita, aagaami karmalanu naaSanam chEstaaDu. kaani praarabda karmalu anubhavinchinaakE mOkshamistaaDu. samarthata vunnaakooDaa tanuchEsina dharmaanni paaTinchE bhagavantuDu daanini atikraminchaDu.
mIrucheppinadaaniki I praarabda karmam javaabu. I janmalO enni chEsinaa puurvam nirNayinchabaDina praarabda karma maaradu. idi intaku munupu kooDaa vivarinchinaTlu gurtu. udaaharaNaki raamadaasuni cheppavachchu.
Emaatram karma Palamu vunnaa mOkshayOgyata lEdu. kaabaTTi pai nirNayamu.
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 21, Jan 2006 1:52:34 PM IST
mIrannaTlugaa manassuki paTTinchukOkunDaa vunnanta maatraana adi pOdu. nippuni paTTukoni daanini paTTinchukOnanTE adi kaalchitIrutundi.
paapaalu chEstE paapaPalitaanni, puNyam chEstE puNya Palitaanni anubhavinchaali. puNyam chEyaDam valana paapam pOdu.
// 1.The cause must have its effect and nothing can prevent or restrain it.(As said by Aamrapaali garu---Even God.) //
paina cheppinadE dIniki kooDaa vartistundi.
// 3.And the impact of the " evil karma" done by him is lessend because when a person truly surrenders himself to God, he(The surrendered person) never takes any materialistic result /impact /consequences to his heart/mind and accepts the consequences of his "evil karma" gracefully.Thus he becomes free from his "own evil karma ".//
vihitakarmalu nishkaama buddhitO ( manOvaakkaayakarmalatO ) bhagavadprItyarthamgaa chEsi bhagavantuniki arpinchinappuDE avi anTavu. cheDDapanulu vihita karmalelaa avutaayi? kooTunIti kaadu kooTa nIti. adikooDaa sarikaadu. vishNuvuku prIti kaliginchEpanulE dharmamu. ataniki aprIti kaliginchEvi adharmamu.
mahAbhaaratam lO yuddhamappuDu SrIkRushNuDu dharma raajutO aSvatthaama hata@h ani cheppamanTE sandEhistaaDu. appuDu bhImuDu aSvatthaama hata@h ani cheptaaDu. adi vini drONuDu dharma raaju cheptE gaani nammanu ani anTE appuDu bhImuDu aSvatthaama anE Enugunu champi dharma raajutO aSvatthaama hataha@h kunjara@h anianamanTaaDu. appuDu dharma raaju alaagE anagaa aSvatthaama hata@h annavenTanE SanKabhErI ninaadaalu chEstaaru bhIma, dRushTadyumnaadulaina paanDava pakshamu vaaru. alaaga drONuDiki kunjara@h ani vinipinchakunDaa chEsaaru. alaa samSayinchi bhagavadaajNjani ullanghinchinanduku dharmaraajuku naraka darSanamainadi.
Posted by: Keerty At: 21, Jan 2006 1:10:53 PM IST
sRushTiki viruddhangaa SankaruDu chachchina evarini bratikinchenO konchem vivarinchanDi.
vishNuvu sarvatantrasvatantryuDu aayanaku evaruu adhikaaramivvakkaralEdu. aayanakE anni adhikaaraalunnaayi.
Posted by: Mr. HAYAGREEVA MURTY Rachuri At: 21, Jan 2006 5:17:42 PM IST
Posted by: Amrapaali At: 21, Jan 2006 12:50:53 PM IST
mIru cheppinadi chaalaa baaguMdi. kaani manushulu maatramu alaa anukOvaTamulEdu.hUMDI lani niMpi, gaMga lO munaka vEsi vaari vaari paapaalu kaDagi vEyaalani anukuMTuMnnaaru.
But what I feel is ,
The "consequences"of any evil action done by the person cannot be taken back.(though he realised it later).
1.The cause must have its effect and nothing can prevent or restrain it.(As said by Aamrapaali garu---Even God.)
2.But the impact of the effect can be lessened if the person truly confesses to God.
3.And the impact of the " evil karma" done by him is lessend because when a person truly surrenders himself to God, he(The surrendered person) never takes any materialistic result /impact /consequences to his heart/mind and accepts the consequences of his "evil karma" gracefully.Thus he becomes free from his "own evil karma ".
I think keerthygaaru got the answer .
And coming to 2nd question of keerthyji
daaniki taggaTTugaanE SaMkaruDu ennO saarlu SrI hari ni SaraNu vEDaaDu.SrIkrishNuDu dharmamu gelipiMchuTakoRaku aa yugaanni baTTi koMta "kUTu nIti" upayOgiMchaaDu.
I feel the consequences are known to them
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 21, Jan 2006 2:52:34 PM IST
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 19, Jan 2006 11:29:22 AM IST
I agree with you "Shaloo". The word cheater may not be a good for but the following BG verse says that God is the "gambling of Cheat" and noone can surpass him in cheating.
dyūtaḿ chalayatām asmi
tejas tejasvinām aham
jayo 'smi vyavasāyo 'smi
sattvaḿ sattvavatām aham (BG 10.36)
TRANSLATION
I am also the gambling of cheats, and of the splendid I am the splendor. I am victory, I am adventure, and I am the strength of the strong.
Also about God realized person the following verse is given
api cet su-durācāro
bhajate mām ananya-bhāk
sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ
samyag vyavasito hi saḥ (BG 9.30)
Translation
Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination.
About renounciation the following verse is given
aniṣṭam iṣṭaḿ miśraḿ ca
tri-vidhaḿ karmaṇaḥ phalam
bhavaty atyāgināḿ pretya
na tu sannyāsināḿ kvacit (BG 18.12)
TRANSLATION
For one who is not renounced, the threefold fruits of action — desirable, undesirable and mixed — accrue after death. But those who are in the renounced order of life have no such result to suffer or enjoy.
Posted by: Suryadev At: 20, Jan 2006 4:54:58 AM IST
Posted by: Dr. Suryadev Suryadevara At: 19, Jan 2006 3:46:02 AM
Posted by: Keerty At: 19, Jan 2006 8:50:56 AM ISTIST
I dont think "cheater"for God is the right word here.
On the other hand He is the highest ideal.He is the saviour.
And coming to the "consequences"of any evil action done by the person cannot be taken back.(though he realised it later).
1.The cause must have its effect and nothing can prevent or restrain it.
2.But the impact of the effect can be lessened if the person truly confesses to God.
3.And the impact of the " evil karma" done by him is lessend because when a person truly surrenders himself to God he never take any materialistic result /impact /consequences to his heart/mind and accepts the consequences of his "evil karma" gracefully.Thus he becomes free from his "own evil karma ".
But I think surrendering oneself to God is not an easy task.First one should be of positive ,balanced mind and later on develop a nonattachment base in himself.
A positive(love,goodness,forgiveness,selfishlessness,oneness)balanced and nonattachment mind is near to God.
Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 19, Jan 2006 12:29:22 PM IST
//Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 17, Jan 2006 10:50:53 AM IST//
paapakaaryamulu che^sina vaariki Siksha tappadu. manam chaTTam drushTilo^ tappinchukunnaa, aa bhagavantuni drushTilo^ tappinchuko^le^mu.
Purity comes only after undergoing through one of the prescribed processes. Punishment is a part of the karma washing process. Just like we have potable water but don't bother from where it had been collected for processing.
A soul's journey in this material world can be compared to a complete movie and one bodily concept of life reveals only one small part of the movie. Having this material body itself is a suffering. If someone does badly we all have to suffer including the culprit. Allowing bad activities by others is also sinful.
It's impossible for us to even believe in God without God's mercy. Someone may claim that he/she is a pure devotee but actually he/she is not! It's sure that he/she will be cheated by God. It's said in BG that cheaters will be cheated miserably by God because God is the Master cheater. So, none can cheat God.
Posted by: Suryadev At: 19, Jan 2006 4:46:02 AM IST
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