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General Forum: Govt. and Politics | | Restore Telugu Pride | |
| Aditya,
I've replied. Anyways, I'll fwd that mail again and a new doc that I got from a Telugu friend.
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 5, Aug 2004 10:18:26 AM IST
Aditya,
chUSAvA, enta cheppinA enni cheppinA kondaru mUrkhulu "maLLI maLLI pADAli I pATA" anTU, "pADindE pADarA pAchipaLLa dAsuDA" annaTTu, telugu bhAsha tamiLam nunDi udbhavinchindi ani tama tama ChenDAlapu chemaTa gabbu chankalu koTTukunTunnAru. andukErA, alAnTOLLaki javAbivvaTam manchidi kAdu ani nIku cheppindi. alA cheppEkoddI rechchipOtAru, manaki AvESam vastundi, tikka rEgi EdO okaTi vAgutAmu, dAntO vALLaki sAnubhUti vastundi, vALLa lakshyam neravErutundi. vALLaki kAvAlsindi prajala sAnubhUti. endukanTE, vALLakEmI pani lEdu. manakalA kAdu, bOleDu bAdhyatalu. dAniki tODu I talanoppulokaTA?
mitrulaku oka chinna sUchana, mariyu oka vinnapam .
SabdaratnAkara lO rachayita gAru modaTlO EvEvO cheppAru, bhAsha gurinchi. evaraina dAni sArAmSamu cheppagalarA? akkaDa tamiLam nunDi telugu puTTindi ani cheppinaTlu gurtu lEdu nAku.
pOtE, telugu bhAsha yokka syntax, phonemics and phoetics tamiLamtO elA ekkaDa shEr chEsukundO vivarinchagalaru.
endukanTE, telugulO unnanni aksharAlE tamiLam lO lEvu. tamiLam lO saraLa parusha bEdhamE lEdu. ika sandhi ekkaDa kudurutundi? ika ottula prasaktE lEdu. udAharaNaki "lakshmi" ani vrAyaTAniki tamiLam lO "laT chi mi" ani vrAstAru. ika lipi anTArA? oka kAjAki jilEbI ki unnanta tEDA undi. kEvalam konni padAlalO unna sArUpyAnni baTTi, teluguki mAtRuka tamiLam anTE elA oppukOvAli? nAlAnTi vedhavAyilu kondaru telugu bhAsha pai DAkTarETu chEyAlani, EdO oka TApikku paTTukuni, itarulu cheppindAniki bhinnangA cheppAlani EdO okaTi tIsEsi thIsIs rAsi paDEstE, alAnTi pustakAlni manam chadUkuni abbO telugu ki talli tamiLam , tamiLam EmO Sivuni tAnDava samayam lO Dhamaruka SabdAla nunDi puTTindi, avE I dharitrilO pradhama SambdAlu, avE ai uNj Ru Luk ani nammEsi adE nijamanukunTE elA?
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 5, Aug 2004 10:17:12 AM IST
I appreciate your frankness; Some unnecessarily argue just for nothing without any aim?
You can add two more feathers:
1. Why Christianity developed but not Jewish?
2. Whom were praying these Jews before and after Christ?
It explains the Global trend rather than a intakewell explanations.
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 4, Aug 2004 9:38:30 PM IST
Hi Bahudoorapu,
I agree with you 100% and am not going to bother answering someone's paranoid, racist theories invented in the head. To quote Vemana:
chaeri moorkhula manasu ranjimparaadu
B.T.W, You have not written back yet - did you get my e-mail?
Posted by: Mr. Aditya Vedula At: 4, Aug 2004 9:24:59 PM IST
Kannada and Telugu lipi similar no wonder;
Can someone identify the name given to Arabic language ?
Does Sanskrit is treated in that manner?
Why there is a similarity with arabic?
Urdu using their script or Arabic is older?
One thing sure Aryans did not come to AP; If so our life style could have been similar to Sindhis; Today there is no recognition for Telugu language and the state how it could be centuries ago.
People migrated from the present AP region only can bring them back no one else.
Aryan , Persian, ........
Rajan, Gopalan, Raman, Chandran
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 4, Aug 2004 6:38:23 PM IST
Linguistic affinites are historical facts....not need to argue over it. Any language developed or evolves or becomes rich by either drawing inspiration from other languages or religion or day to day happenings or even invasions....colonizations wither politically or economically, socially....but for the grammar is concerned, it is very difficult to change. Grammarical affinities of Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam and kannada are just a fact. Even similirities in alphabets can also found. That similarities among Telugu and Kannada are very very close.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 4, Aug 2004 11:40:58 AM IST
The Pride of Telugu can be restored only when it was separated from other languages. Telugu became a language when it was separated from Tamil...even though it shared syntax, phonemics and phoetics with it. But conceptual separation has already happened with Nannaya, Tikkana and Errana. More and More is needed. Now a days Telugu is mixed up with english, may be people are trying to evolve another language, Telugu+English + Tenglish. More and More literature is needed to do so. More and More trends and works to be undertaken by various poets or writers. What SrI SrI did hasn't happened again in the state. He liberated telugu from conservatist tendencies...and gave new punch to the language from his simple but powerful mahAprasthAnam . chalam has written introduction to it that work too wonderful.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 4, Aug 2004 11:17:53 AM IST
aunU, nAkO adharma sandEham vachchindi. evarainA NgNjAnulaina manushulu tIrcha prArthana.
telugu tamiLam nundi puTTindi ani anukoni chakalu guddukunE Anandam enduku?
telugukI tamiLAnikI bOleDu tEDA undani telIni praja ni chUsi nEnu jAlipaDutunnA.
EvEvO cheppi, ekkaDekkaDivO cheppi enduku tappuni oppu ani nachchajeppa chUstAru? evarenni cheppinA telugu tamiLam nundi udbhavinchalEdu annadE nagna satyam , marOTi kAdu. asalu tamiLam gurinchi Emi telusani kondaru adi telugu ki mAtRuka ani anagalugutAru? mIrantA "tamiL " anEdE tappu. adi kUDA telIni vAru telugu ki mAtRuka tamiL ani anaDam kaDu hAsyAspadam .
AdityA, okAme annAru oka vEmana padyam lO, gurtu peTTukO. nuvvu cheppindi akshara satyam . adi oppukODAniki nEnu nI mitruDanE kAnavasaram lEdu, budhdhi unnODinaitE chAlu ani kondaru grahinchagalaru.
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 4, Aug 2004 11:11:27 AM IST
Aryans invaded India for grasslands, not for business. At that time, they were pushed out from their original land by somebody, may be the later invaders of Aryans. The invaders who came to India encountered the earlier settlers who were nothing but Indus People in the INdus region, and Aryans at Afghanistan or Kabul pass or Panjab region. Hence, aryans came like waves....
Parsis are deriven out from Iran after the raise of Islam. That's why they came to India for shelter...settled in India and merged in it.
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Even though Ancient Andhra kings Patronized Sanskrit due to the presence of Brahmins in their courts, but the lingua franka of people is nothing but Prakrit. All Satavahanas were Brahmins, then naturally Sanskrit will get patronized. But there were several kings like Hala who wrote books in Prakrit that was the language of the masses.
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Aryans are invaders there is no doubt in it.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 4, Aug 2004 11:09:02 AM IST
//1) Historically Classical Telugu civilization has identified itself with and drawn inspiration from Sanskrit-based culture rather than from Tamil.
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I never deny that. It's inspiration only, but not grammar of the language! Inspiration of mythology from North Indian or Aryan Myths were rewritten in Telugu. Telugu use only scanty sanskrit alphabets with that that influence.
//2) Although the Telugu and Tamil languages share common origin and share great culutral affinity, Telugu adopts the pan-Indian vision from Sanskrit as a part of larger Indian civilization rather than a limited Tamil/Dravidianist seperatist vision.
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Sharing the common orign means what?
It's not only Telugu that is pan-Indian, in act Tamil to pan-Indian broader than Telugu. Tamil Diaspora is wider than Telugu. It's telugus first launched the movement for separate state on linguistic basis, not tamils that ultimately resulted into the linguistic division of India into the states.
But one thing is sure, if Telugu identified with Sanskrit it one just can't restore it's pride. There may be conceptual similarities in writings, but grammar and language and expressoin are definitely different. Historically Telugu (Andhra Pradesh, later Maharastra) acted as a bridge between north India and south India. Hence, it's natural Sanskrit words were penetrated into Telugu language. amuktamAlyada written my Krishna Devaraya just can't be understood now. Becaue it consists of full of original words that can be found only in telugu padakOsam . One need to have this telugu padakOsam while reading the works of nannAyya, tikkana, errana now.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 4, Aug 2004 11:00:19 AM IST
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