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Unlike in DRDO/ISRO/DAE, in S/W companies these engineer kids day n night "work" for a "clients" to get some good bucks. In brothels too people "work" for "clients" for some bucks. _____________________________________________ In Software Companies, people atleast get paid for the work unless the Crappy Research Labs where in the sole Objective of the Scientist to "Satisfy his/her Boss" at any cost and yet get underpaid ... A Scientst B carries Tea & Files for Scientist C and Sc C licks the feet of SC D and so on .. a case of outright slavery! Now tell me what should be called a Brothel ... Infosys or DRDO?

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 6, Jun 2006 6:18:43 PM IST

Let's start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that. Cricket rules should be >modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by a OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century.>We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib >Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player. Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal. > >Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.>Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country..) > >Let's be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA forward... >Let's show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country. Let's be proud of being >an INDIAN.. > >May the good breed of politicans like ARJUN SINGH long live... courtesy yahoo frds

Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 6, Jun 2006 4:05:54 PM IST

//You know where they are failing, make them attractive/profitable/resourceful or accountable atleast for what they are spending! In globalization it is survival of the fittest - no sentiments work except in case of some 10^(-7)%.// What is this survival of the fittest? NOw the present MBA's has created all these "new slogans" in order to survive and laid a pavement for luxurious future for their kith and kin. Ya , taking the advantage of the so called "survival of the fittest"slogan the reservations are still going, the beuorocrats , the police , the politicians, and now the capitalists simply using thier power, wealth ,fame fot their luxurious life style of the kith and kin. raajulu,chakravartulu kUDaa chEsina pani adE. amdukE maTTikoTTukupOyaaru. survival of the fittest kaadu . survival of the socialismkaavaali.

Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 6, Jun 2006 12:11:07 PM IST

M.R, These scientific establishemnts are like mothers that produce kids,groom them,make them able persons.But just like kids leave behind the mothers in search of greener postures, the scientists leave them behind their whining mothers. In the same funny sense ,let me put it straight to you. Unlike in DRDO/ISRO/DAE, in S/W companies these engineer kids day n night "work" for a "clients" to get some good bucks. In brothels too people "work" for "clients" for some bucks. That is the similarity and not what you people thought :)(no offenses intended to anyone)

Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 6, Jun 2006 9:57:20 AM IST

So Going by your logic, It must be DRDO/ISRO/BARC that are acting like Brothels, not Infosys :))

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 5, Jun 2006 6:47:49 PM IST

M.R. You are welcome.Please also read my today's post down here. Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 5, Jun 2006 10:53:37 AM IST Above all the issues you mentioned, it is the remuneration first.Nobody in research labs would get remuneration comparable with that in S/w field. Infrastructure? Yes to some extent.(to some extent coz our infrastructure is not comparable to that in US labs) Forget about academic research and doing Phds.Apart from IISc and IITs (that too few departments(few individual profs I would say),the academic research people/facilities are pathetic.I was actaully refering to research labs under ISRO/DRDO/BARC/CSIR/and not to the academic research coz theseare the labs that are supposed to be the primary leaders in research in their respectiv efields ,like their counterparts NASA ets in US,and these labs do get lot of funds sanctioned from our annual budgets. Treatment? Again if one goes to ISRO/DRDO/BARC/CSIR/ ,one gets good treatment but the main problem is again remuneration.Thats why annually all fresh scientists from these organisations make a bee line to software industry after spending a year or so in these orgns.So it is the money. Better work culture? perhaps ,but our young chaps are more worried about moneteray compensation than work culture which ofcorse is superior in S/w companies,due primarily to they being PVT companies where inefficiency is not tolerated.Same discipline can also be (must be!) imposed in govt research labs.It is not impossible if one tries proper methods like the ones followed in the pvt industry. //not motivated to work in gov labs//-->the reson is you are safe once you get a gov job.nobody can take it from you.And secondly there is no reward for going that extra mile/putting that extra effort in gov agencies/orgns coz of uniform treatment of people and standard gov rules for promotion etc Having said that,let me add that we can not privatise,for the sake of efficiency, everything in gov hands right now for obvious reasons. Defence research and Nuclear research are of strategic importance and one can not put these areas in pvt hands who mainly look for profit and not national interests.So these areas must remain in gov hands and at the same time,my concern here is ,the gov should be able to attract the best talent to these areas,not only atract,it should retain them(the main problem is job hopping!). Our talents are inferior to none and we produce the best MBAs from IIMs and we export the best talent IITians to foreign shores.THAT MUST CHANGE! Then only India can become a super power in these areas. Recently Indian Airforce started a scheme wherein it wants to give 2 mont apprentice to IITians(summer trianing) and recruit them(if at all they join!) as IAF pilots,coz now a days eour missile systems like AGNI etc are very high tech and real techie people are needed to use them effectively. You must hav eheard of recent ISRO collaboration with NASA in its future moon mission.US is supposed to put some high tech module on India's mission to moon so that the entire mission becomes worthwhile.My point is we must be able to do all those things on our own.Nerly 10-15% of NASA scientists are NRIs. Can we rectify this situation? I would never say s/w companies or people joining s/w comapnies is bad for the country.These companies are creating employment opportunities for thousands of people and we must be happy with that. But ,the fact is that if you go to any high tech research lab of our country,you dont find a single worthwhile Civil engineer or electrical engineer or Mechanical engineer there.(All of them must have already left these orgns searching greener postures elsewhere !).We do need high caliber civil engineers to build better seismic resistant dams,mechanical engineers to design our missiles/reactors/turbines/jets,electrical engineers to design radars/motors/turbines/generators. we need computer engineers in these labs to desing all the controls and communication systems.How US is doing all this work and becoming dominant super power day by day without people working day and night in their research labs?How can India even think of ,forget abt becoming a super power,even a regional player in south asia? We are far far behind even China.(China already test fires a space shuttle!,the third country to have done that after US and Russia) Pvt sector is recently invited to do some fabrication work for ISRO space vehicle/satellite structure.Even in US they contract pvt sector peopel to get some some non strategic things done.We can also do that ,but the ultimate control must remain in gov hands for strategic reasons. If gov do not find competent engineers to work in its labs,who is the loser? Our nation as a whole.The developed countiries make ugly gestures and point a finger at us and say " you dirty poor Indians,you are worth nothing!".Whose feelings are hurt ?.We have rsourses to make internationally renowned MBAs,IITians. Why cant we channalise some resources towards creating ultramodern labs and motivated work force?The gov can create special team of people in each Department like DOS/DAE/Defence and give competent pay package comparable to the best in pvt industry.Actaully outr govt allocates crores of rupees to these departments annuaaly in our budget but always,every year some amount is not spent in the financial year.Some of these resources can be channalized toward the above purpose. People would work for gov,even more happily than they do in pvt sector,if pay packages are good.One should not leave them with better pay packages alone.Otherwise surely laziness would creep in.Accountability amd the same strict supervision which is seen in pvt sector must be introduced.Then only we can hope of making India a super power.Pvt sector can play only a marginal role in this nation building work.But it is the govt that must take a big hard step to cleanse the system of all its deficiencies.Political initiative is a must for this.Otherwise people would continue to leave govt organisations/our country in search of money.

Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 5, Jun 2006 5:28:26 PM IST

Hi Siri, Thanx for the detailed response .. but looking at it from a different perspective .. Yes we do need researchers in the core areas, but why are people not opting for that ... is it because of lack of infrastructure? is it becuse of the professors who treat the research fellows as slaves (I myslef faced it when I as doing my PhD from the Hyderabad Central University .. thisis first hand info) Is it because of the better treatment given by the software corporates compared to the research institutes? Is it because of the better work culture at Infosys compared to DRDO/ISRO/RRI? In My humble opinion the main reason why people love software industry is that people are RESPECTED unlike other places and lemme add to it, except LRDE and CAIR Bangalore which are DRDO's research establishments, I have not come across a single research lab in India where in a majority of the employees said they were really motivated to work better whereas the recent surveys say that a majority fo the emloyees in the top software companies say they are extremely happy with their respective managements.

Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 5, Jun 2006 3:28:46 PM IST

Ididnot find right palce to post this topic. Anyway the discussion turned to "resevation topic".So I posted it here. THE FUTURE MAY BE LIKE THIS:- Sun is rising as usual in the east .I am standing here outside the school, waiting for my 10 yr kid. He studies is class 2. Only this year he could get admission into the school. For the last 5 yrs admissions were closed for the general category students. School bell rings. I can see a lot of happy children coming out of the gate, i waited for half an hour and my kid came at last after other children. Genaral students are not allowed to cross the gate unless other OBC/SC/ST students have crossed the gates. OBC/SC/ST fathers drive away their children in classy cars. But I have to walk back home with my kid a 5 km stretch. I lost my car some years back when Govt. came with a rule that general people have to deposit a tax equal to cost of their cars . Failing which i had to sell the car. As far as buses are concerned, the seats in buses are reserved for OBC/SC/ST . So no place there also. After walking some 5km in scorching heat i finally reached home. It was wednesday ... shit , no electricity. Every mon, wed, thu, sat is power cut in the houses of General category population . So that SC/ST/OBC can be uplifted by providing them with every opportunity and in that consideration electricity is an important factor.Its 10:00 pm in night no electricity at home.Its very hot inside the four walls of home .So i dare to step out in park with my wife and kid. I seated myself with my family on a secluded bench in garden. It was hardly 5 min .. a guard came to us strolling in the park.He asked me what caste you belong to. I said with some hesitation .. G..General. He asked me to pay a fine of Rs.200 and get out of the park. My Fault... The bench i was sitting on was meant for again the SC/ST/OBC . for their upliftment peace of mind is on essential things. So govt came with this decision to reserve benches for them.Kudos to them... I don't feel like telling him the failures after freedom. On front page of newspaper, in a corner their is a news about a OBC member getting 6 months impriosonment in "BAL SUDHAR GRAHA" from a juvenile court for murdering and raping a six year old girl .Yes the rules have been amended ,since the last 5 years.The Culprit was a 25 year old OBC so age relaxation was provided for trial of crime. So he was taken to juvenile court, since there is an age relaxation for OBC/SC/ST. About 11 am some one gave me the BAD news about demise of one of my neighbour and friend Mr.Mehta. I went to his house for condolence next day, his body was lying there still rotting in the heat.I asked his son about the Cremation. His son told me "Many reserved category have died yesterday so we are not getting entry to creamtion ground " . This rule is the latest from Govt.Where the seats in creamtion ground will be reserved for SC/ST/OBC for their upliftment. Finally next day Mehta ji was creamted. i could see sun seeting through the Flames burning a libarated Body, liberated from caste n creed. I was surprised sun still sets in the west.? it was about 9 pm , i was about to sleep in my bed my son came to me with innocence in his eyes , inquisitively he asked me the question what is reservation?i asked him where u listened that .he suddenly burst in tears .. i asked him to keep..quietBut i could listen through his sobs "mujhe bhi reservation chahiye(i too want reservation)". How can i convince him its no other toy in the market i can get for him? He kept cryin that night, claiming many of "his classmates have got reservation".To make him quiet i said ok , ill buy you reservation at your next B'day.HOPE he understands the bloody concept soon . Bye Bye India courtesy yahoo frds.

Posted by: Mrs. shaloo At: 5, Jun 2006 12:13:23 PM IST

I hope the Supreme Court would take into acount the concerns of everybody while deciding the issue of reservations.It is subjudicious to talk of the matter now since the matter is in Supreme Court now.As all of you know,it has already issued a notice to the Centre on the issue. There is no need to link the above issue with the issues I mentioned below.

Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 5, Jun 2006 11:09:49 AM IST

I hope the Supreme Court would take into concerns of everybody while deciding the issue of reservations.It is subjudicious to talk of the matter now since the matter is in Supreme Court now.As all of you know,it has already issued a notice to the Centre on the issue. There is no need to link the above issue with the issues I mentioned below.

Posted by: Mr. Siri Siri At: 5, Jun 2006 11:07:38 AM IST

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