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Will the demand for Indian Software Professionals in USA continue?

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Good article, Mr RMK Goud, it is a very eye opener for me for a nationalist like me. Ok, what you had written is good, but action speak more than words. So why dont you come to india and do something to make India powerful and prosperous? Here poor indians are suffering from all kinds of bad things. If u want to come to India, i am willing to do a bit of help to you.

Posted by: Mr. Santosh Kumar Gatti At: 8, Jul 2003 4:19:45 PM IST

No especially not in 2002,as the situation is changing day by day 9/11,job scenario is completely changes,here most of the companies want to retain local candidates,unless the situation changes or rules changes,we can't expect miracles for H1 B visa holders in this 2002 year. My dear friends dont get disappointed,its only my view,if situation changes i may update my comments too. Goud rmk USA

Posted by: M K GOUD RAMPURAM At: 10, Apr 2002 11:41:05 AM IST

While I'm aware that employment opportunities in the US are important to a lot of Telugu-speaking people, I think the question posed above is the wrong question to ask. Why? Let's assess the current state of affairs and look at the situation confronting those of us with a common heritage. Before continuing, I would like to point out that I am the son of Telugu-speaking parents and am a successful hardware and software developer raised and educated in the US. Despite the fact I grew up in the US, I believe my views apply to all of us. In the current state of the world, Indians are second class citizens. We only need to look at how the US is free to impose its policies and military actions on other countries, whereas India is downgraded and does not carry the same weight in world affairs. This scenario scales down to the brown-skinned, Telugu speaking individual as well -- A Telugu-speaking, brown-skinned man is a second class citizen in the world. More specifically, he is also a second class citizen within the borders of the United States. Our words and actions carry less weight than our white-counterparts here in the US. There is not a great deal of upward mobility for us, regardless of where we were born or raised. It is essential for us to correct this situation, and we cannot correct this problem if we sweat for American corporate oppressors. American corporations, through the hard work of Indians, capitalize and then further their own interests irrespective of the fact that we are the ones who put our blood and sweat on the line. By working for these monsters, we are only harming ourselves and are not working to construct a better world image of ourselves. The state of affairs with India and the prestige of the country itself affects the perception of Indians with respect to non-Indians. A brown-skinned man is, from the viewpoint of the American white-dominated corporation, simply cheap labor that is needed for relatively low-tech, low-capital tasks. While the initial reward of US-employment in the IT-sector seems alluring, the long-term benefits are almost non-existent. The American corporation and business entities are ruthless; they thrive on utilizing Indian intelligence, and yet, never contribute to any sort of situation that would collectively improve the image of the brown-skinned software developer. By allowing intelligence to flow from within India to the US, we are only exacerbating the brain-drain problem. Simultaneously, we're putting money into the hands of the white European-descendant managed corporations. It is important for Indians to look at creating opportunities at home though increased education and research, and not look to the opportunities in the US. Effectively, we need to embark on a long process that will effectively remedy the negative-image situation we are all confronted with. In the end, working to create opportunities within India and the undertaking of entrepreneurial tasks is far more important. For the sake of future generations, it is important to establish a strong identity and a strong economic business-oriented culture so that the children of tomorrow inherit positive images, not the image of cheap, expendable, 3rd-world trash that is currently held by the oppressive 1st world nations and the corporations they house. Please consider this before you use your talents and your gifts for an American corporation. Sincerely, -P

Posted by: Mr Pavan T At: 10, Mar 2002 10:58:32 PM IST

until unless one country grows industrially, these middle level things like computers...etc., will not give prosepects to the people. even if it gives....that's for a time being only

Posted by: Mr murty rsn At: 10, Mar 2002 2:12:40 PM IST

well.. All the postings have some merit to it. No one should assume that because there is temporary demand for software engineers ,we automatically become a force. That is far from the truth. I did two projects in India.Half quality and twice the price.If we acheive other way around ( Twice the quality and half the price and I assume we are on the way ) we can claim some serious presence. I also encourage programmers to take some classes in the universities in US to get exposed the life styles here they will do better Ramana

Posted by: Mr Ramana Annamraju At: 10, Mar 2002 10:13:17 AM IST

This is to tbe 'recent anonymous' by 'prev to recent anonymous', well, first I guess you got to reread my mesg. I did say there are quite a good number of less quality people EVEN in MCAs. the above statement will not mean MCA is a low degree. All I mean to say is, though MCA is such a degree which is regarded high its sad to realize even people with that degree are poorly qualified. Next, about the 'for loops', if you say a programmer need not know what 'he can do using a for loop' (or write a for loop. writing for loop ), I wonder how industry can go any further. THis is as good as saying "well, I dont need to remember even the basic words to construct a senctence as long as I know a sentence is made of words" :-). Indians are good at grasping..... yes "good". Their "goodness of grasping" is suffient only for a bare minimun. In a sense everyone are good at grasping, as long as good remains a relative term.Now, industry need more intellectual minds.....the skill of programmers is not not not sufficient. We need to grow. Otherwise its difficult to lead. Industry has no more patience left with it. Its a fact...a hard reality. Being in a illusion we are the most intelligent people in the world doesn't take you anywhere. Dont say, just because someone else doesn't SEEM to be good we shoudl not be good. Be up the mark so that no slump can effect you. First running to US again seeing a slump running to UK again somewhere else is not a job of a real person. Such people hardly can survive. WHat ever the stream they are in. The anonymous! PS: This mesg no way is meant at looking down any section(s) of people. It is just reality. Look at this with an impartial mind.

Posted by: Ms Samatha G At: 14, Feb 2002 9:36:26 PM IST

Hi one of my dear anonymous friend commented(even i'm keeping myself anonymous) many people from India are not even able to write loops (mostly MCA's) well dear friend i think there are 2 reasons for you to come to conculsion reason one: you maynot see many programmers and reason two: you maynot be working in a quality environment . well it is true that when our poeple come to this country they with half knoweldge but i'm 100% sure that all Indian programers are very sharp in grasping things and well dear friend no one in this will have 100% knoweldge , but the problem comes when an Indian becomes a Manager that's when he starts talking things like this (but he always forgets that when he came to US he's also half-knowelded) , i strongly believe that u don't need to remember the syntaxes or u don't need to know how to write a loop for being a good programmer all u need to have is a good logic , and i think our people have that and it's not good to comment on a particular stream of people like these poeple are bad i know few IIT grads who're worst in programming. there's saying like "Ghar ka Murgi Dhal Barabar" so it's very common in this country that one Indian programmer says the other Indian guy is waste .....but why american companies still taking them the reason american people are more scarp than our guys ........ so no hard feelings everyone who comes to this level will have some stuff so please try to respect and help other guys (even they donno how to write loops ), and even if ur genuine or a scarp if ur at right place at right time u'll get job other wise no one cares what you are as many big heads of AT&T are on bench (they include Americans too) Thanks

Posted by: Mr Ravi M At: 13, Feb 2002 11:23:29 PM IST

The demand for genuine software professionals nevers goes down. Wether its in US or any other country. Obviously higly qualified people can always make their destiny. The real problems ariase for 'half knowledged people'. The IT industry accepted these people till now because it was just in the beginning phase and Indians are wise enough to catch this oppurtunity in the right time. But let us accept a fact that, 90% OF PEOPLE WHO CALL THEMSELVES AS IT PROFESSIONALS REALLY ARE NOT WORTH THEIR DEGREE. and many Indians are in an illusion that they are good. They are not. Unless the quality of people increase, there is nothign we can expect. The quality among our Indian professionals is very very very poor. I personally saw many people, who want to draw a min of Rs 15,000 a month but hardly can write a 'for loop' for themselves.Its pity that even there are quite a good number of MCAs who come under the above catogery. If they cant even do programming, they are obviously lost in a more challenging areas like modelling and analysis. I suggest people, not to get into this feild just because of greed. If thats the case these people are sure to face problems even if the economies of countries raise. Improve your quality first and then expect for a better future. Otherwise you are lost!!!! no way. FOr a real professional, no slumps would effect.

Posted by: Ms Samatha G At: 13, Feb 2002 10:16:09 PM IST

in future it may become worse also...

Posted by: Mr. Shiva Kumar Kouda At: 12, Feb 2002 7:43:49 PM IST

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