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General Forum: Current 'Affairs' | | Secularism is like a hat that has lost its shape because everyone wears it. | |
| For law sake treat them equally
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 28, Jun 2004 7:05:57 PM IST
Well, Malak, it should be, to my little knowledge, is "treating equally without any bias"...
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 28, Jun 2004 6:09:19 PM IST
Does the word " Secularism " exists pre-independance era or post-independance?
If it is of the later case we should ask Britishers why they left us under secularism shadow or umbrella? Does the citizens of India understood about secularism equally?
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 28, Jun 2004 6:00:11 PM IST
I have a Basic Question .. Does Secularism mean "Treating all religions qually without any bias" or "Banning the religious stuff altogether?" I think I would go with the former definition
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 28, Jun 2004 5:55:35 PM IST
Posted by: Mr. Rish M At: 27, Jun 2004 9:45:10 AM IST
Rishi,
Thats what my question was... what is Secularism. And some one posted judgements of 12th century, publication of 9th century but never answered. You are right. I have already quoted about the French Govt's decision on banning any religios symbol... including cross, in schools. Yes, it is the true secular step. Not India. India was never a secular country. And India will never become a secular country. Thats it. Until some one like Hitler or Saddam emerges, we can never see India being secular. No more arguments required here, it is the fact and I beg every one to understand this fact.
Posted by: Bahud♥♥rapu Baatasaari At: 28, Jun 2004 5:47:15 PM IST
what about hat color?
Posted by: Mr. M Kumar N At: 27, Jun 2004 8:12:59 PM IST
If the Original Hindu Marriage Act, was enacted way back in 1951, the situation would have been different. The President of India, who was conservative, was opposed it! If we implemented, it, we would have implemented Uniform Civil Code (Art.44)...Hindus have inequal laws among the two genders, hence they too have!
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 27, Jun 2004 2:42:26 PM IST
Cant agree more with you RISH!!! Thats a good one!!!
Posted by: Malakpet Rowdy At: 27, Jun 2004 10:49:09 AM IST
Is India secular at all? Can allowing people to have religious freedom, enacting state and federal laws on religious basis or providing constitutional rights based on religion ever be considered secular?
I am confused whether India really is a secular country? Secular means unconcerned about religion or religious belief. In a secular state you will not have a Hindu Marriage Act and Muslim Marriage Act; you will not have privileges for a minority community for establishing businesses and educational institutes. Whether you are a Hindu, Muslim or Christian, the country and it’s laws come first.
Firstly we should ask this question. Should people living in a multi-cultural society adhere to the ways of life stated by their religions? To some extent yes. But to a large extent, except the spiritual part most of that stated in the religious books is anachronic.
One should understand the basis for all religions. Religion lays foundation for a righteous way of life. When man became a social being (just to avoid the term “social animal”) living with other human beings, sharing the God’s gifts, there was felt a need for rules of social engagement so that people could live in harmony. Religious books laid those rules: rules such as whom and how to marry, how to divorce, how to conduct with elders, how to conduct business, what clothes to wear (“burkha” etc). I am not saying religious books are nothing but books of social etiquette. Almost all religious books nurtured spiritual and philosophical pabulum of human beings. It is the modern day religious leaders who made religious books such, obscuring the spiritual / philosophical content of the books. Even in Hindu religion, the rich philosophical content of the Vedas is obscured by, sometimes nonsensical rituals. No temple preaches the philosophical essence of Hindu religion.
The rules worked well then because the places where these religions were practiced, everyone belonged to that religion, and those were the only rules available. Since those days the society has evolved, and it is more complex and more heterogeneous now. There is more knowledge available on social sciences. The old rules don’t work anymore in the modern day society. We need one marriage act. We need one rule in the schools, one way of dressing. When French government recently banned all religious symbols in School, that is the first step to being a truly Secular state. I applaud that decision. We don’t need Ganesh processions. It is very unbecoming of a Secular state. Religions are not there for parades. India doesn’t belong to Hindus anymore. It belongs to whoever embraces the country and it’s laws. We need uniform code of social engagement which is beyond any religion. You can pray in mosques, temples, synagogues or churches. When you are outside, you are an Indian, not a Muslim, Hindu or Christian. If you don’t like the laws or rules of social engagement of a secular state, please go to a country where you can practice what you are preached.
Posted by: Mr. Rish M At: 27, Jun 2004 7:45:10 AM IST
While Upanishads preach universality of human beings, the ordinary Hindus think about social hierarchies.
Posted by: Mr. Vachaspathi V At: 24, Jun 2004 7:26:50 PM IST
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